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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    That contract makes him untradeable. No one will take that on. We're married for better or for worse
    Votto = Bautista + Reyes, then resign Choo for 5-6 years.

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    Not true at all. As long as he stays healthy and produces, he will be tradeable early in the contract.
    Rightly or wrongly, the highest-paid players in baseball are sluggers or pitchers. With very, very few exceptions. I'm not sure I see that changing.

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    I've been wanting Votto to bat second for years now. I hope that's the end result of this situation.
    In like 5 years, please.

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by osuceltic View Post
    If that's the outcome, then it's only a matter of time until they trade Votto.
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    Did Votto actually swing less than your average player at pitches in the strike zone? I don't really get the complaints. It seemed most often like he rarely saw decent pitches. Marty loves to complain that Votto isn't Miguel Cabrera well if Prince Fielder hit behind him maybe he would look more like Cabrera. Maybe I'm wrong but I rarely felt like Votto was looking to walk as much as pitchers were looking to not pitch to him.

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    I can't help feeling that if Votto reacted to the pressure to drive in more runs, hit more homers, and be "more aggressive" at the plate, the results would be very similar to the numbers put up by Jay Bruce.

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by kbrake View Post
    Did Votto actually swing less than your average player at pitches in the strike zone? I don't really get the complaints. It seemed most often like he rarely saw decent pitches. Marty loves to complain that Votto isn't Miguel Cabrera well if Prince Fielder hit behind him maybe he would look more like Cabrera. Maybe I'm wrong but I rarely felt like Votto was looking to walk as much as pitchers were looking to not pitch to him.
    I don't know if he did vs your average player, but I think he certainly did vs 2010-2012 Votto. Late in the season vs Pittsburgh summed it up for me: they gave him get-me-over fastballs (which he took) for strikes early in the count, then got him out on breaking pitches out of the zone later.

    I don't think the Reds want him to expand his zone at all. I think they want to impress on him that the best pitch he's likely going to see may come very early in the count. Like Bonds in his last few years, Votto is only going to get maybe 1 and, at most, 2 good pitches per AB. They want him to be ready to hit them, not take them in the name of taking the count deeper.

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    I don't know if he did vs your average player, but I think he certainly did vs 2010-2012 Votto. Late in the season vs Pittsburgh summed it up for me: they gave him get-me-over fastballs (which he took) for strikes early in the count, then got him out on breaking pitches out of the zone later.

    I don't think the Reds want him to expand his zone at all. I think they want to impress on him that the best pitch he's likely going to see may come very early in the count. Like Bonds in his last few years, Votto is only going to get maybe 1 and, at most, 2 good pitches per AB. They want him to be ready to hit them, not take them in the name of taking the count deeper.
    I think the end of the season will stick out for many people but against Liriano specifically I didn't think it had anything to do with approach. I thought it just looked like Liriano had his number and dominated Votto.

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Here's my main issue with Joey.
    BA with risp
    2007 .385
    2008 .287
    2009 .336
    2010 .369
    2011 .383
    2012 .370
    2013 .291

    For whatever reason in 2013 he hit from 70 to 90 pts below his career norm with men in scoring position. OPSing a high number is great, but it's not the end all be all. I think reason people had many more complaints about Votto in 2013 is simply because he wasn't as clutch with men in scoring position as he has traditionally been. Is that due to pressure he's putting onto himself from his contract? Was it simply a bad year? Was it his approach at the plate? I don't know, but I have a big problem paying a guy 220 million to not hit over .300 with risp. Maybe that's wrong, but that's where I'm at.
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    I really don't think the Reds need to "impress" anything upon Votto at all. Despite the fact that his "down" season was a better season than most major leaguers will be lucky to have as their best season, Votto was extremely disappointed with the season that he put up in 2013. That was obvious from his quote after the loss to the Pirates in the WC game. Anyone that thinks that disappointment and frustration isn't going to weigh on him over the offseason and not cause him to work hard to improve is kidding themselves and truly hasn't been paying attention to his career and development as a player.

    Historically, the #3 spot is where you bat the teams best offensive threat (i.e. best hitter). Who exactly do we have on the team that is going to do a better job than Votto in that spot? I'm certainly not seeing an alternative. Brandon Phillips certainly isn't that guy, so who is?

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by kbrake View Post
    Did Votto actually swing less than your average player at pitches in the strike zone? I don't really get the complaints. It seemed most often like he rarely saw decent pitches. Marty loves to complain that Votto isn't Miguel Cabrera well if Prince Fielder hit behind him maybe he would look more like Cabrera. Maybe I'm wrong but I rarely felt like Votto was looking to walk as much as pitchers were looking to not pitch to him.

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    Here's my main issue with Joey.
    BA with risp
    2007 .385
    2008 .287
    2009 .336
    2010 .369
    2011 .383
    2012 .370
    2013 .291

    For whatever reason in 2013 he hit from 70 to 90 pts below his career norm with men in scoring position. OPSing a high number is great, but it's not the end all be all. I think reason people had many more complaints about Votto in 2013 is simply because he wasn't as clutch with men in scoring position as he has traditionally been. Is that due to pressure he's putting onto himself from his contract? Was it simply a bad year? Was it his approach at the plate? I don't know, but I have a big problem paying a guy 220 million to not hit over .300 with risp. Maybe that's wrong, but that's where I'm at.
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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    Votto = Bautista + Reyes, then resign Choo for 5-6 years.
    LOL REALLY...Im glad people with this line of thinking aren't the GM, because we would have a run like the pirates just got off of. At least until they were hired with someone who actually knew baseball...

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    Randomness. It's not a skill.
    Dude... that's saberific

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    It's kind of weird, but Jocketty sounds rejuvenated to me.
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