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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    This has been pointed out, I'm sure....but why the lengthy conversations around a guy who led the league in runs created?

    Isn't the discussion kinda over when you lead the league in the one commodity that makes you win?

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    This has been pointed out, I'm sure....but why the lengthy conversations around a guy who led the league in runs created?

    Isn't the discussion kinda over when you lead the league in the one commodity that makes you win?
    Yeah, it should be until someone poo-poos RC as being 'theoretical' and then tangents into a discussion of 'clutch'; a concept involving a ton more fairy dust, magical jelly beans, and unicorns than RC does.
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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    "There is no such thing as clutch in the real world."
    So, how do you explain guys like Bonds shrinking in the playoffs and guys like Robert Horry almost always hitting the big shot?

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    So, how do you explain guys like Bonds shrinking in the playoffs and guys like Robert Horry almost always hitting the big shot?
    Media narrative and small samples.
    Randy Johnson was known as a guy who shrunk in the post season, until he and Schilling pitched the D-backs to the World Championship.

    The media narrative said the Cardinals got where they are because they "play the game the right way."
    Not sure that last night was the right way to do anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    You're exactly right. In contrast to common belief, Votto is not a power hitter.
    Instead, he's just one of the best pure hitters in baseball.

    Below are active career leaders for LD% with at least 3500 PA.
    I think Votto's 2013 is the rare year where the subjective eye test jibes with the results. From my viewing, Votto was super patient and hitting lots of line drives, but wasn't driving the ball with the authority he has in the past. A lot of mistake and hittable pitches were either fouled off or driven for solid singles rather than being ripped into the gap or the stands. And if you look at the stats, I think it bears that out:

    08: 589 PA, 63 XBH
    09: 544 PA, 64 XBH
    10: 648 PA, 75 XBH
    11: 719 PA, 72 XBH
    12: 475 PA, 58 XBH (good gravy)
    13: 726 PA, 57 XBH

    In 2013, Votto had virtually an identical number of extra base hits as 2012 but in 251 fewer plate appearances. His SLG in 2013 (.491) was the lowest in a full season for his career and fully 50 points off his career total.

    Whether it's residue from the knee injury, a lack of lineup protection, more sophisticated outfield positioning, better advance scouting, bad luck, or a combination of all of them, Votto did not produce the power numbers we've come to expect last season.

    That doesn't mean he needs to change his approach, or hit behind the runner, or stop cursing, or start cursing, or whatever. All the guy needs to do is punish bad pitches the way he did the first five full seasons of his career, and he'll be completely dominant instead of "merely" elite.
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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    So, how do you explain guys like Bonds shrinking in the playoffs and guys like Robert Horry almost always hitting the big shot?
    Have you seen his numbers for the only World Series he ever played in?

    Basketball and the hitting component of baseball are two different things. But even so, this reputation of Horry's is based on 4-5 shots spanning an entire career. Maybe he just had some skill that showed up in those situations. Maybe those 4-5 shots just so happened to be the normal percentage of shots that went in the hole, but just so happened in critical times of the game. I'm not suggesting it's one or the other. But I don't think you can assume causation over that few plays over the course of a career. Horry's 3 point % for the regular season was 34%. It was 36% in the playoffs. His overall FG % was 42.5% in the regular season and 42.6% in the playoffs. My guess is he was the same player.
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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    This has been pointed out, I'm sure....but why the lengthy conversations around a guy who led the league in runs created?

    Isn't the discussion kinda over when you lead the league in the one commodity that makes you win?
    Walt started it, and said he would discuss it with Price and Price with Votto. And if you look through this thread, there is plenty of evidence (including Votto's own words) that Votto, while still productive, had a down season.

    The goal is to have everyone perform as well as absolutely possible relative to their ability. Votto was better than anyone else on the team and better than most others in the league, but he isn't only compared to those people. He is compared to himself. In that sense, he had a down year. If something can be done to improve, why wouldn't he and the team address it?

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by osuceltic View Post
    Walt started it, and said he would discuss it with Price and Price with Votto. And if you look through this thread, there is plenty of evidence (including Votto's own words) that Votto, while still productive, had a down season.

    The goal is to have everyone perform as well as absolutely possible relative to their ability. Votto was better than anyone else on the team and better than most others in the league, but he isn't only compared to those people. He is compared to himself. In that sense, he had a down year. If something can be done to improve, why wouldn't he and the team address it?
    How can you lead the league in runs created and have a down season?

    He had more than Goldschmidt...Choo...I'm lost here.

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by HUHUH View Post
    Say what you want about Votto's offensive production in 2013. Where he fell on his face was outside the batters box. Defense was bad, baserunning bad, didn't run out ground balls, seemed disinterested, couldn't remember how many outs there are - - - - for $220 million, THESE are the things they should demand he improve on, immediately!
    and refusing to slide.
    Huh? Huh-uh. Oh yeah, uh-huh.

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    How can you lead the league in runs created and have a down season?

    He had more than Goldschmidt...Choo...I'm lost here.
    As usual, if you only look at one stat -- whatever the stat -- you don't see everything you need to see.

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    So, how do you explain guys like Bonds shrinking in the playoffs and guys like Robert Horry almost always hitting the big shot?
    Incredibly insufficient data to form any kind of conclusion.
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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelSD View Post
    Yeah, it should be until someone poo-poos RC as being 'theoretical' and then tangents into a discussion of 'clutch'; a concept involving a ton more fairy dust, magical jelly beans, and unicorns than RC does.
    Forget the word clutch. It's canard that people use on both sides to muddy the waters. I apologize for using that loaded word, it simply was a matter of laziness on my part.

    Do you think that Votto performed as expected with RISP, with runners on base, late in close games and in high leverage situations? The empirical evidence overwhelming says that he did not.
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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    How can you lead the league in runs created and have a down season?

    He had more than Goldschmidt...Choo...I'm lost here.
    Because runs created is a theoretical number. Most of the time it mirrors actual production, but when more closely examined, like in Votto's 2013 season, it doesn't properly reflect reality. A more detailed look at Votto's numbers in 2013 reveal that he likely didn't create as many runs as the theoretical stat "runs created" suggests he did.
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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    So, how do you explain guys like Bonds shrinking in the playoffs and guys like Robert Horry almost always hitting the big shot?
    Bonds in the WS: .471 /.700/1.294 OPS: 1.994

    Horry in the WS: .000/.000/.000 OPS: 0.000
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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Because runs created is a theoretical number. Most of the time it mirrors actual production, but when more closely examined, like in Votto's 2013 season, it doesn't properly reflect reality. A more detailed look at Votto's numbers in 2013 reveal that he likely didn't create as many runs as the theoretical stat "runs created" suggests he did.
    Do tell? What makes you conclude that?
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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