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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    How can you lead the league in runs created and have a down season?

    He had more than Goldschmidt...Choo...I'm lost here.
    Votto himself says he had a down season (as has been pointed out ad infinitum here). He said he "never got it going offensively." then mentioned defense. Do you disagree with him, also?

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Incredibly insufficient data to form any kind of conclusion.
    I don't know, I just can't say that it is pure chance, or whatever people want to call it. It doesn't explain to me thow a guy can have 1 set of numbers during the regular season over a career, and then be way better or way worse during the playoffs. I understand there are small sample sizes, like it's their 1st post season, but there are guys out there that have multiple playoffs that suck during the postseason. I think that being clutch or not is one of those things that someone will never convince me doesnt exist. Not trying to be an ass or nothing!!!



    Also, to the poster who had mentioned Bonds WS appearance. Yeah, he was good in that WS, but what about all those post seasons he had in Pittsburgh, before the roids? You cant explain that away.

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    There absolutely is such thing as clutch. Some people handle pressure situations better than others. That's a truism.

    Defining it, however, much less knowing how to quantify it, is a whole other issue.
    "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Do tell? What makes you conclude that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandRed View Post
    If he's not crushing the stuff they do throw over the plate, the walk rate's going to come down eventually.
    I'm actually amazed it hasn't already.
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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    I don't know, I just can't say that it is pure chance, or whatever people want to call it. It doesn't explain to me thow a guy can have 1 set of numbers during the regular season over a career, and then be way better or way worse during the playoffs. I understand there are small sample sizes, like it's their 1st post season, but there are guys out there that have multiple playoffs that suck during the postseason.
    Everything changes in the playoffs. In basketball, superstars are guarded in completely different ways that leads to other opportunities for guys (who become "legends" because someone else double-teamed all night). In baseball, players are pitched in a completely different way. The weather is completely different in October than it is in June or July. Schedules and routines are thrown off by things like media availability and travel.

    There are million things that go into all of this that the players have absolutely 0 control over -- our brains like stories, so we spin it into "this guy is clutch, this guy isn't."
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    You've shown he was the anti-Phillips when it came to luck this season. That doesn't support the conclusion that his RC metric is invalid for the season.
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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    There absolutely is such thing as clutch. Some people handle pressure situations better than others. That's a truism.

    Defining it, however, much less knowing how to quantify it, is a whole other issue.
    Phillips' and Votto's 2013 compared to their careers demonstrate that the concept of clutch as fans understand and apply it is bunk.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Phillips' and Votto's 2013 compared to their careers demonstrate that the concept of clutch as fans understand and apply it is bunk.
    It demonstrates a few things, for sure, but not really about those people. It's the people that respond that show their true colors with their demonstrative and dismissive attitude at everything that doesn't fit in their own little box.

    There are arguments to be made both for and against those stats, but certainly no evidence that gives anyone latitude to dismiss it as "bunk."
    "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    It's the people that respond that show their true colors with their demonstrative and dismissive attitude at everything that doesn't fit in their own little box.
    Sorry, Brutus, I've read enough of your posts on this site to conclude that the sentence above describes you as much as it does anyone else.
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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm Chortleton View Post
    Votto himself says he had a down season (as has been pointed out ad infinitum here). He said he "never got it going offensively." then mentioned defense. Do you disagree with him, also?
    He obviously had to be referring to his RBI and 2B totals, because he excelled in every other area (offensively). Joey needs to hang out on ORG more often, so he'll learn those stats aren't important.
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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    You've shown he was the anti-Phillips when it came to luck this season. That doesn't support the conclusion that his RC metric is invalid for the season.
    The runs created stat assumes that all of a players stats are distributed equally. Those stats demonstrated that Votto performed less than expected in crucial situations that have been statistically proven to lead directly to runs and wins. The most logical conclusion to be drawn from such evidence is Votto's runs created stat does not accurately reflect how runs he actually created for the team.

    It could be because of luck, clutchness or underpants gnomes. Why is not the issue, the issue is that the stats are clear on what happened.
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    The runs created stat assumes that all of a players stats are distributed equally. Those stats demonstrated that Votto performed less than expected in crucial situations that have been statistically proven to lead directly to runs and wins. The most logical conclusion to be drawn from such evidence is Votto's runs created stat does not accurately reflect how runs he actually created for the team.

    It could be because of luck, clutchness or underpants gnomes. Why is not the issue, the issue is that the stats are clear on what happened.
    Actually the proper interpretation isnt that Votto's RC overvalued his bat, it's that his unlucky performance wRISP decreased hiw RC in a way that isn't likely to occur going forward.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    It demonstrates a few things, for sure, but not really about those people. It's the people that respond that show their true colors with their demonstrative and dismissive attitude at everything that doesn't fit in their own little box.

    There are arguments to be made both for and against those stats, but certainly no evidence that gives anyone latitude to dismiss it as "bunk."
    We've heard all season about how Votto wasn't clutch or a run producer because he only batted .291/.477/.455 OPS: .932 during a 134 PAs with runners in scoring position and didn't have enough rbis. It's a crazytastic argument. But also if one fo the best run producers in baseball can do this wRISP for his career .340/.477/.590 OPS: 1.067 yet in any given season OPS over 100 pts lower, it just shows how meaningless 100 pts actually is given sample sizes.

    In other words, clutch as fans wax on about it, is bunk.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    He obviously had to be referring to his RBI and 2B totals, because he excelled in every other area (offensively). Joey needs to hang out on ORG more often, so he'll learn those stats aren't important.


    Who doesn't love 2Bs? Everyone loves 2Bs. Trying to act like people hate getting hits because they can appreciate a walk is little off base.

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