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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelSD View Post
    FYI- If you're going to start down the road of claiming that you didn't say what you said, best practice isn't to just re-word what you said and say it again. You've been very clear about your conclusions that Votto should be expected to over-perform situationally, that small sample size data is relevant, and that RC isn't to be trusted as it applies to Joey Votto. Each conclusion is inaccurate. You can call them widgets for all I care. They're conclusions and we both know it.

    Also, it's quite obvious that you simply don't understand Runs Created as a measurement. And by that, I don't mean "fail to see subtle nuances". I mean you don't have any idea about it, how it's calculated, what it includes, or how to interpret the data. If you did, you'd know that all Votto's situational performance is already included in the calculation of the metric. In fact, the most complex formulas break situational performance into a subset; assigning different weights to that performance. If Votto performed poorly across any sample of data, that performance would lower his Runs Created appropriately; not artificially enhance it as you claim.

    jojo hinted at the above regarding your erroneous RC conclusion, but apparently wasn't direct enough.
    First, thanks for the correction on RC. That must be new. When it was created, RC simply used a combination of OBP and SLG.

    Second, I very clearly explained my positions, and very clearly explained how they are different from the positions that you claim I hold. If you can't understand the differences, that's not my fault, the differences are clear as day.
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    Late and Close Games: .231/.413/.407/.820

    High Leverage Situations: .263/.413/.449/.862
    Just cherry picking here, but this stood out to me. Votto hit pretty poorly this past season in high leverage and close games. A .413 OBP is pretty impressive, but when I see that, and the games I watched, it appeared as if Votto was often giving up his at bat, taking the walk, and putting the onus on a lesser player to drive in runs.

    This year was the first time Votto actually talked about his goal at the plate being "to not make an out." It was also his worst "hitting" season since 2008, his first full year in the league. I don't know if he changed his approach a little this season. I don't know what the approach was if he had changed it. I know his power numbers decreased and he seemed more passive at the plate. I don't know about others, but as the season wore along, especially during the stretch run, I was waiting, almost hoping, for Votto to turn it on. For Votto to begin to do something special, something to life the team up. During the stretch run it looked like Votto was pressing, it looked like he was being beaten on pitches that you never thought would have happened.

    I think RBI is a flawed stat, I think it tells you part of the story, but has some serious flaws to it. At the start of the season I would have thought that Votto would have had his most productive RBI season this year because the #2 guy in the NL at getting on base was hitting two spots ahead of Votto in the order. The overall numbers tell me it was Votto's worst season since his rookie year. As a manager or GM I would want to know what changed. I would want to look further into his comments about "not getting going" this season. It isn't a bash Joey mission or blaiming the failure on Joey, its about getting him back to his .950-1.000 OPS self. Its about getting him back to the point where he was going to set the record for 2b in a year. Its about getting the monster back in the middle of the order.

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    With all the problems that many of the players on this team have offensively, the fact the Reds think that Joey Votto is one of them is beyond disturbing. Trying to change his approach is going to backfire, in a huge way.

    The funny thing is that with all of these interviews with Walt, I've never once heard him acknowledge the crap job he did in assembling parts of the 2013 team.

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    To be fair, Walt was specifically asked about Votto and his approach both times, and he gave an honest answer. It's not like saying this is what he considers important. We have no idea how important Jocketty thinks this is, or how much time and effort he will will place into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin Fan View Post
    With all the problems that many of the players on this team have offensively, the fact the Reds think that Joey Votto is one of them is beyond disturbing. Trying to change his approach is going to backfire, in a huge way.

    The funny thing is that with all of these interviews with Walt, I've never once heard him acknowledge the crap job he did in assembling parts of the 2013 team.
    Walt assembled a team that won 90 games last season (pythag of 93). A team who had the top two guys on the league at getting on base as well as a team that ranked second in the NL in ERA+. Quite frankly I think Walt knows what he is doing and did a good job of it last season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin Fan View Post
    The funny thing is that with all of these interviews with Walt, I've never once heard him acknowledge the crap job he did in assembling parts of the 2013 team.
    They competed for the best record in baseball the entire season, until the final week. I don't think the parts were the problem.
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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin Fan View Post
    With all the problems that many of the players on this team have offensively, the fact the Reds think that Joey Votto is one of them is beyond disturbing. Trying to change his approach is going to backfire, in a huge way.

    The funny thing is that with all of these interviews with Walt, I've never once heard him acknowledge the crap job he did in assembling parts of the 2013 team.


    My thought (hope?) on all of this changing of Votto is little more than answering the off base comments from the interviewer.

    That said would they like more counting stats from Votto? Sure. Are they going to overhaul their best player? I hope not, and don't think that's what they mean.

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    That our front office prefers a sac-fly to a walk concerns me.
    This is not factual at all, don't believe Walt's answer was as black and white as you are making it out to be.

    I'm sure there are some situations where they would prefer a sac fly over a walk. But they/Walt would not say that all the time. No way no how. There's no way Walt thinks a sac fly with men on 2nd and 3rd and no outs in the 1st is better than a walk. But, there is no way Joey should think that a walk in the B9 of a tie game with 2 men on is better than a sac fly, and I'm sure he doesn't.
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    Joey Votto was 10th in the league with 6 sacrifice flies. Yet another category where being in the top 10 in the league isn't good enough, for the crazies.
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin Fan View Post
    With all the problems that many of the players on this team have offensively, the fact the Reds think that Joey Votto is one of them is beyond disturbing. Trying to change his approach is going to backfire, in a huge way.
    Walt will give him a choice. He can keep his approach and bat second, or make minor changes and hit third. That's how I read his quote.

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    That our front office prefers a sac-fly to a walk concerns me. Any energy spent on changing Joey Votto is time not spent on making guys who are actuallyfailing to do their jobs better.
    I also find it very disturbing the Front Office would seem to question his approach. That he somehow is ill suited for the #3 spot currently.

    Reds 3 hole had higher slugging and more Homeruns than St. Louis or Boston got out of their 3 spots. Worked out well enough for them because they actually have balanced lineups with more than 3 above average players. Votto will see very little to hit as long as that case. Kind of stunning the numbers he did put up with so little balance.

    Boston was dead last with only 12 HR out of 3 spot in lineup.

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    To be fair, Walt was specifically asked about Votto and his approach both times, and he gave an honest answer. It's not like saying this is what he considers important. We have no idea how important Jocketty thinks this is, or how much time and effort he will will place into it.
    So either Jocketty thinks Votto's approach legitimately needs changed, or he's allowing this quite silly (IMO) line of thinking to fester in the mind of the general public by giving it his attention and response.

    Pick your poison: terrible judgement or terrible leadership. Oy vey.

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    I hope Votto ignores everyone. Just play his game.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fil3232 View Post
    So either Jocketty thinks Votto's approach legitimately needs changed, or he's allowing this quite silly (IMO) line of thinking to fester in the mind of the general public by giving it his attention and response.

    Pick your poison: terrible judgement or terrible leadership. Oy vey.


    Lots of times front office types and even players, and coaches will just give generic answers to placate the media, so that the can just go on about their day and not have to go into detail publicly.

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    Re: Walt interview (with Cunningham)

    Quote Originally Posted by bengalsown View Post
    From this article:

    http://www.wcpo.com/sports/baseball/...-in-leadership

    I asked Walt Jocketty if Price is up to the task of disabusing Joey of the notion that a base on balls is as beneficial as a run scoring sacrifice fly.

    Walt gave me an emphatic “Yes,” but added, “that is something many more of us in the organization will also try to convey.”
    Let's all keep pretending that Brandon Phillips' attitude, and his light hearted article about "swag", are the main problems of this team.

    Votto's problems are the only one's I consistently hear Jocketty talking about.
    It's a loaded question but I for one still don't understand why people believe one can hit a sac fly on purpose. I also don't understand why a player would deliberately make an out unless he is trying to put down a sacrifice bunt.

    Some of you guys know minor league players. Some may know major league players. If you get a chance, could you talk to them and ask them what is their mindset when there's a runner on 3rd with less than 2 outs? Ask them if they are deliberately trying to hit a fly ball or are they trying to get a base hit?
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