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    Reds.com interview with Price

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    I like what Price is saying. Will be very interesting to see who is added to the staff. I say look for a pitching coach who's either Latino or a very strong Spanish speaker.

    Happen to agree strongly with his thoughts on bullpen usage and use of the bench. Baker had a tendency to overuse guys, IMO, and I think you can hear Price suggesting that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Happen to agree strongly with his thoughts on bullpen usage and use of the bench. Baker had a tendency to overuse guys, IMO, and I think you can hear Price suggesting that too.
    That's all well and good but don't you want your better pitchers to pitch more? I'm all for spreading out the work but if it's the 8th inning and Matt Holliday's up, I think I'd rather have LeCure pitching to him than Ondrusek. This is a meritocracy. You pitch better (Hoover, Simon, Parra) you get more work. If you don't (Ondrusek, Arredondo, Bray) you get less work.
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    Re: Reds.com interview with Price

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Part One

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    I like what Price is saying. Will be very interesting to see who is added to the staff. I say look for a pitching coach who's either Latino or a very strong Spanish speaker.

    Happen to agree strongly with his thoughts on bullpen usage and use of the bench. Baker had a tendency to overuse guys, IMO, and I think you can hear Price suggesting that too.
    I would take issue with the suggestion that Baker overused his relievers. If that's what is meant here.

    Dusty carefully avoided overusing his pen. The Reds had the second fewest relief innings in the NL last two years. Reds also had the second fewest relief outings this year, and the fewest in 2012, for the NL.

    Hoover led the Reds with 69 appearances last season, other MLB teams had relievers as high as 80 and 78. No Reds reliever was near the high point for bullpen outings.

    And Price was the pitching coach, I wouldn't expect any dramatic change in bullpen usage patterns.
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    I would take issue with the suggestion that Baker overused his relievers. If that's what is meant here.

    Dusty carefully avoided overusing his pen. The Reds had the second fewest relief innings in the NL last two years. Reds also had the second fewest relief outings this year, and the fewest in 2012, for the NL.

    Hoover led the Reds with 69 appearances last season, other MLB teams had relievers as high as 80 and 78. No Reds reliever was near the high point for bullpen outings.

    And Price was the pitching coach, I wouldn't expect any dramatic change in bullpen usage patterns.
    Dusty was careful, Bryan is just saying the way you use your bullpen, not necessarily the amount of innings, is what constitutes overusage. I don't think he was pointing the finger, but rather saying he has a different philosophy.

    Overall, I was skeptical about the hire at first (I was in the camp of people who wanted a fiery/personality guy), but now I'm convinced Bryan is the right guy. He garners respect, he's not going to tolerate BS, and he's probably going to get some other new people on the coaching staff with him that should help propagate change. I'm excited.
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    Re: Reds.com interview with Price

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    Dusty was careful, Bryan is just saying the way you use your bullpen, not necessarily the amount of innings, is what constitutes overusage. I don't think he was pointing the finger, but rather saying he has a different philosophy.

    Overall, I was skeptical about the hire at first (I was in the camp of people who wanted a fiery/personality guy), but now I'm convinced Bryan is the right guy. He garners respect, he's not going to tolerate BS, and he's probably going to get some other new people on the coaching staff with him that should help propagate change. I'm excited.
    I think people are doing cartwheels to read Price's comments as critical of Dusty.

    Not sure how anyone could conclude that Dusty overused his bullpen in any way. The pen's innings were low. The pen's appearances were low. No individual reliever was among the leaders in appearances. He virtually never let his closer work more than an inning. And Price suggested nothing to the contrary.

    In fact, Dusty used his bullpen precisely as Price indicated in his interview. He was not prone to constant switching off for lefty/righty match ups. That's why the game threads are replete with "Why Parra against a righty?" type comments.

    On this issue Dusty obviously agrees with Price, and I see no criticism in Price's comment. None.
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    Re: Reds.com interview with Price

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    Overall, I was skeptical about the hire at first (I was in the camp of people who wanted a fiery/personality guy), but now I'm convinced Bryan is the right guy. He garners respect, he's not going to tolerate BS, and he's probably going to get some other new people on the coaching staff with him that should help propagate change. I'm excited.
    I'm glad they hired Price but you hear this kind of stuff from every new manager: We're going to change the culture. No more BS. I'm going to do things differently than the last guy. No more favorites. You especially hear this from the younger managers who haven't managed in the bigs before. The problem with Price is that he hasn't managed anywhere. Minors, majors, college, Little League. What happens when/if guys start taking advantage of him? When he makes a move in a game that doesn't work out, is he going to be able to handle the press?
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    I would take issue with the suggestion that Baker overused his relievers. If that's what is meant here.

    Dusty carefully avoided overusing his pen. The Reds had the second fewest relief innings in the NL last two years. Reds also had the second fewest relief outings this year, and the fewest in 2012, for the NL.

    Hoover led the Reds with 69 appearances last season, other MLB teams had relievers as high as 80 and 78. No Reds reliever was near the high point for bullpen outings.

    And Price was the pitching coach, I wouldn't expect any dramatic change in bullpen usage patterns.
    When you have a rotation like ours, there is little chance you are going to overuse your bullpen. However, I do think that Dusty misused the bullpen. Time and time again he would bring in guys for just one batter. When you use Chapman like Dusty did and the injuries that were plaguing the bullpen, then you have to use a guy for more than one batter. I think this is where Bryan was getting at. His Presser he stated he is not going to simply play the LH and RH advantages. Dusty would waste Parra on a lefty batter and then bring in Ondrusek to face the righty in a close game, thus using 2 pitchers in a situation where we could have only used one.
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    I am a Price fan, but that interview did nothing to make me hopeful of his success. It's probably just coach-speak, but the needed shakeup was never mentioned, not to mention the body language of the new manager. It's early, I know.
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    Re: Reds.com interview with Price

    Price pretty clearly pointed out that he will use fewer pitchers per game, but leave them in longer. He said getting guys warmed up in the pen, whether they are used or not, causes stress and fatigue. Warming up and facing one hitter three days in a row is harder than pitching 1.1 innings in a single game. This is a clarification on what he was talking about when he said Dusty was too concerned with situational LH vs LH and RH vs RH.

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    Re: Reds.com interview with Price

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm Chortleton View Post
    Price pretty clearly pointed out that he will use fewer pitchers per game, but leave them in longer. He said getting guys warmed up in the pen, whether they are used or not, causes stress and fatigue. Warming up and facing one hitter three days in a row is harder than pitching 1.1 innings in a single game. This is a clarification on what he was talking about when he said Dusty was too concerned with situational LH vs LH and RH vs RH.
    The Reds used the fewest relief appearances in the NL in 2012. Second fewest in 2013.

    Not clear to me how Price will use fewer pitchers per game. Reds already use essentially the fewest.

    I didn't hear him say Dusty was too concerned about anything.

    Really, I see no conflict between Price and Baker on pitching usage. Just because Price believes X doesn't mean he's saying Baker believes Y. They should have asked Price about bunting with position players. Now that would be an interesting question.
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    Re: Reds.com interview with Price

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    The Reds used the fewest relief appearances in the NL in 2012. Second fewest in 2013.

    Not clear to me how Price will use fewer pitchers per game. Reds already use essentially the fewest.

    I didn't hear him say Dusty was too concerned about anything.

    Really, I see no conflict between Price and Baker on pitching usage. Just because Price believes X doesn't mean he's saying Baker believes Y. They should have asked Price about bunting with position players. Now that would be an interesting question.
    I'm just repeating what Price said. Is it not possible to have the fewest relief apperances in the league, but still strive to use even less?

    It was the first question he was asked. Skip ahead to 3:40 to listen again. Here's what he said:

    Jamie Ramsey: Now you said something very interesting in your press conference about matchups. You talked about late in the game how you're not so concerned with matching up a LH pitcher with a LH batter late in the game. Can you expand upon that a little more and talk about why you believe that?

    Bryan Price: I think anytime you pitch too situationally, and you spend the last 2-3 innings of a game trying to match up left-on-left, right-on-right, what you find is you get your guys in the bullpen up and down a lot more. They're in a lot more games, even though it might be for a shorter period of time. And that type of usage over the course of a long season, for me, I'd consider it a bit of overuse. And I've always been concerned with how much we use our bullpen, how much we get these guys up and down. Quite often, these guys will get up in the bullpen and get hot, get their arms ready, and then they don't come into the game.

    I think it also breeds a confidence when a pitcher can stay in a game and maybe come in and get a LH out, get the next RH hitter out to face the next LH. I think we have the talent. I think we've put the money directly into those positions. And what we've done also over the past couple of years is provide opportunities for guys like Hoover and Lecure, Mashall, Broxton, all those guys that we have down there, Ondrusek, to face both RH and LH hitters and they've done pretty well.
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    Re: Reds.com interview with Price

    I don't read that as criticism of Dusty and don't think it was meant to be. Look at the last quoted paragraph, not bolded in the post. When he says that "we" have allowed relievers "over the last couple of years" to face both lefties and righties "and they've done pretty well."

    I think he meant that a certain style is overused, not that Baker engaged in it excessively.

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    I don't read that as criticism of Dusty and don't think it was meant to be. Look at the last quoted paragraph, not bolded in the post. When he says that "we" have allowed relievers "over the last couple of years" to face both lefties and righties "and they've done pretty well."

    I think he meant that a certain style is overused, not that Baker engaged in it excessively.
    I think that's possible, but also note "over the last couple years." I imagine we're going to see a less programmatic use of the pen.

    For example, Baker had a rigid pecking order in terms of who went into the game when. If it was the seventh inning and the starter was in a mini-jam, he'd have Simon/Duke up (or similar). Starter gets out of it, Simon/Duke sit down. 8th inning arrives, and now it's Hoover/Parra when the starter puts a guy on. Then maybe he uses both of those relievers to try to get out of the inning. In the end, 4 guys have thrown to maybe get 2 outs. That was fairly customary usage, and I think it's the kind of thing Price will steer away from more often than not. Of course, I could be reading too much into what he's saying, too.
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    Re: Reds.com interview with Price

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I'm glad they hired Price but you hear this kind of stuff from every new manager: We're going to change the culture. No more BS. I'm going to do things differently than the last guy. No more favorites. You especially hear this from the younger managers who haven't managed in the bigs before. The problem with Price is that he hasn't managed anywhere. Minors, majors, college, Little League. What happens when/if guys start taking advantage of him? When he makes a move in a game that doesn't work out, is he going to be able to handle the press?
    I agree. I think it will be interesting to see if he can actually change things the way he says he will. Not to kick Dusty while he's down, but almost any manager holds their player's more accountable than Dusty. It goes both ways though, Dusty is all about positive reinforcement, but in earnest, with grown adults, the tough/honest route is probably more effective.
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    I think anytime you pitch too situationally, and you spend the last 2-3 innings of a game trying to match up left-on-left, right-on-right, what you find is you get your guys in the bullpen up and down a lot more. They're in a lot more games, even though it might be for a shorter period of time. And that type of usage over the course of a long season, for me, I'd consider it a bit of overuse. And I've always been concerned with how much we use our bullpen, how much we get these guys up and down. Quite often, these guys will get up in the bullpen and get hot, get their arms ready, and then they don't come into the game.
    This his strategy now. There is nothing ideally wrong with it either. However let a right hander take a lefty deep a couple times late in the game and it would not surprise me to see that change. Most managers prefer to avoid criticism. If your left handed specialist gets beat by a lefty it is no big deal. The player failed to do his job. If he manages like this he leaves himself open to big questions that most managers prefer not to have to deal with. That is maybe the biggest reasons players have roles. He has never had to face the press night after night so I would take his thoughts now as just that, thoughts.

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