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    Re: Who are your Silver Slugger Award winners?

    As to the outfield, I would say both Choo and McCutchen pretty much locked up the award.

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    Player             wOBA  wRC+ wRAA  wRC    RC   RC27  RE24  WPA  oWAR 
    Shin-Soo Choo      .393  151  44.0  122  120.7  7.65  49.9  5.4   6.3
    Andrew McCutchen   .393  155  41.7  116  118.7  7.54  40.2  4.5   7.5 
    Matt Holliday      .383  148  32.5   98   91.8  6.20  49.4  4.0   4.2
    Jayson Werth       .403  160  37.0   95   97.2  7.95  36.4  2.6   4.8
    Michael Cuddyer    .396  140  34.8   94   95.4  7.45  37.7  2.9   3.9
    Hunter Pence       .356  133  23.0   98  101.8  5.80  35.6  1.8   5.0
    Carlos Gomez       .363  130  22.7   87   94.0  6.21  24.1  2.2   4.1
    Last edited by junkhead; 10-26-2013 at 04:12 AM.

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    Re: Who are your Silver Slugger Award winners?

    Quote Originally Posted by SporkLover View Post
    I guess it depends on who is voting. OBP can be driven up by walks, which is much better than an out, but Hits and SLG is what moves runs across the plate. I'd tend to weight heavier towards batting stats rather than OBP for the SS award.
    Are you saying OBP is not a batting stat?
    The essence of successful hitting is not making outs. While power is certainly better than its absence, if all else is equal, that is rarely the case. Getting on base is the first thing you have to do to score runs and win games, and that highlights the relative strength of wOBA.

    *2013 NL
    Cubs: #2 in HR, #14 in OBP -> #14 in Run
    Nats: #3 in HR, #9 in OBP -> #6 in Run
    Pirates: #4 in HR, #8 in OBP -> #9 in Run

    Cardinals: #13 in HR, #1 in OBP -> #1 in Run
    Reds: #7 in HR, #2 in OBP -> #3 in Run
    Dbacks: #11 in HR, #4 in OBP -> #5 in Run
    Last edited by junkhead; 10-26-2013 at 07:25 AM.

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    Re: Who are your Silver Slugger Award winners?

    Quote Originally Posted by BungleBengals View Post
    I like Votto and he did amazing things, but I think Goldshmidt gets the Silver Slugger at 1B.

    Most RBIs in the NL and tied for most HR.

    Also he beats out Votto in Runs scored, Hits, Doubles, Homeruns, RBI, Stolen Bases, SLG, OPS, and WAR.

    Also he had 99 BB and hit for .302 vs Votto's 135 BB and hit for .305
    Although I selected Goldschmidt, it was nip and tuck.

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    Player            wOBA  wRC+ wRAA  wRC    RC   RC27  RE24  WPA  oWAR 
    Joey Votto        .400  156  49.1  129  127.9  8.07  49.3  3.6   5.8
    Paul Goldschmidt  .404  156  50.1  128  125.3  7.40  67.4  8.0   5.7

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    Not sure if 502 PAs is required, but HanRam gets my vote at SS (but I still wouldn't have him at SS on my team, he'd be great in LF though), David Wright at 3B and Carlos Gonzalez in the OF even though all fall short and it knocks Choo of the list. I'm also knocking Choo a bit for all the terrible baserunning. It detracts from his offense and I don't know how much it's considered.

    1B Goldschmidt (sorry Joey, but it's really close)
    2B Carpenter in a landslide
    SS Han Ram
    3B Wright
    OF Cargo, McCutchen, Werth
    C Molina

    If this team had a bench, Choo, Votto, Tulo, Cuddyer, and Posey would be it. All are worthy IMO.
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    Re: Who are your Silver Slugger Award winners?

    [hmmmm..... Double post.
    Last edited by SporkLover; 10-26-2013 at 09:39 AM.

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    Re: Who are your Silver Slugger Award winners?

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    Are you saying OBP is not a batting stat?
    You have been quoting advanced sabr stats... You know what OBP is. It doesn't measure batting ability albeit batting certainly factors into it. Hence me saying id weight towards the purer batting stats. I'm not a believer that a value of a hit is equal to that of a walk or a HBP offensively. Is it better than an out? Yes, but there is more offensive potential from batting the ball into play.

    But if you like wOBA you agree with me, because wOBA weights on-base due to hits heavier than walks, HBP, etc.
    Last edited by SporkLover; 10-26-2013 at 09:38 AM.

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    Re: Who are your Silver Slugger Award winners?

    NL

    C Yadier Molina
    1B Paul Goldschmidt
    2B Matt Carpenter
    3B Ryan Zimmerman
    SS Troy Tulowitzki
    OF Andrew McCutchen
    OF Shin Soo Choo
    OF Jayson Werth
    P Zack Grienke

    AL

    C Carlos Santana
    1B Chris Davis
    2B Robinson Cano
    3B Miguel Cabrera
    SS Jed Lowrie
    OF Mike Trout
    OF Adam Jones
    OF Jose Bautista

    Really struggled with Bautista vs Nava for the last OF spot. Went with the power.

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    Re: Who are your Silver Slugger Award winners?

    Quote Originally Posted by SporkLover View Post
    You have been quoting advanced sabr stats... You know what OBP is. It doesn't measure batting ability albeit batting certainly factors into it. Hence me saying id weight towards the purer batting stats. I'm not a believer that a value of a hit is equal to that of a walk or a HBP offensively. Is it better than an out? Yes, but there is more offensive potential from batting the ball into play.

    But if you like wOBA you agree with me, because wOBA weights on-base due to hits heavier than walks, HBP, etc.

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    Re: Who are your Silver Slugger Award winners?

    Really weak class of American League outfielders this year

    Buster Posey C
    Joey Votto 1B
    Matt Carpenter 2B
    David Wright 3B
    Hanley Ramirez SS
    Choo OF
    McCutchen OF
    Puig OF
    Greinke P

    Mauer C
    Chris Davis 1B
    Cano 2B
    Miguel Cabrera 3B
    Jhonny Peralta SS
    Mike Trout OF
    Daniel Nava OF
    Torii Hunter OF
    David Ortiz DH
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    Re: Who are your Silver Slugger Award winners?

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    Nice graphic. Not sure what you are trying to say with it though.

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    Re: Who are your Silver Slugger Award winners?

    Well, you've got to figure Darwin Barney and Daniel Descalso are locks at 2B and SS.
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