Ah, well that seems far more likely.Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds
Ah, well that seems far more likely.
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Jonathan Martin was bullied....says Johnathan Martin. That goes both ways
This story is illustrates some of the more annoying aspects of the media, sports fans, and sports in general.
1) The rush to get the story out. The rush to get it out preceded having very many actual facts.
2) The lack of nuance. You either have to scream on one side or scream on the other.
3) The rush to judgment. Martin has been a wimp, hero, role model, chicken, etc... all over the span of a week.
4) The need for drama and narrative.
One last thing. Isn't the "treatment" Martin seems to have gotten/may have gotten/did get/didn't get the same treatment EVERY kicker gets everyday of their lives?
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dubc47834 (11-11-2013)
I think kickers are largely ignored.
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Says the last of over 1100 text messages between the 2....
Yea, except that one guy's a sociopath that got kicked off two different college teams and bounced around in the NFL because he kept drawing unsportsmanlike conduct penalties everywhere he went until he finally found a home with that joke of a team in Miami where they obviously put up with and/or encourage that garbage.Jonathan Martin was bullied....says Johnathan Martin. That goes both ways
The other guy seems to be fairly sane and has a Stanford education (well, he went to Stanford - he'd also been accepted to Harvard, though they don't offer scholarships), and was raised by two Harvard alums.
Gee, I know which one I'd be more likely to believe.
Last edited by The Operator; 11-11-2013 at 10:03 PM.
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Did ya really need to reply to my same post twice?Says the last of over 1100 text messages between the 2....
Phil Castellini puts the FUN in Trust Fund.
I think, like most things, both sides as probably a bit guilty. Incognito appears to be a scum bag, but I do think Martin isn't just an innocent victim either. It's just my gut on how this whole story feels. I'm in no way defending Incognito by trying to blame the victim, so don't attack me as though I am.
There's a world of pro athletes that I can't completely understand and never will. All I can do is offer my opinions on the stories [and that's all 99% of it is, stories, not facts] and continue to read when I'm completely bored.
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Cam Cleeland (who actually won a lawsuit against the Saints and six players when he was hit in the eye with a pillowcase full of coins during a "fun" hazing event that was "just part of that wacky NFL culture" back in 1998) on Rich Incognito:
http://deadspin.com/nfl-hazing-victi...64880/@Tom_Ley"I'm not afraid to say that he was an immature, unrealistic scumbag," Cleeland said. "When it came down to it, he had no personality, he was a locker-room cancer, and he just wanted to fight everybody all the time. It was bizarre beyond belief."
Last edited by The Operator; 11-11-2013 at 10:12 PM.
Phil Castellini puts the FUN in Trust Fund.
That was my first thought. There's a handful of people that could make me look like the worst person on the planet if they ever felt inclined. I can't wait to hear Martin's take on it.
dubc47834 (11-12-2013)
Im not saying Incognito is a good guy or is innocent in all this. I'm just saying that Martin had options and it didn't have to get this far outa control. He had many options before just leaving the team, some good and some bad. Some may have been harded than others. If someone had been bullying you would you be sending them text AFTER you left the team? Then say that you didn't blame them, just the culture of the locker room? Like ESPN said last night, Martin never said it was Incognito specifically that was bullying him. The Miami Dolphins heard the voice mail and then suspended Incognito. Many players and coaches are going to take the fall on this, as should be. I like hte idea of having the counsel with big, trustable names like Tony Dungy and Don Shula trying to get to the bottom of this and coming up with good ideas to resolve the problems for the Dolphins. All I'm saying is let's not let Martin off the hook yet until the whole story comes out. Once it does, if Martin is blameless, I will eat crow...
I'm starting to wish some team would sign Tim Tebow, because I'm already getting annoyed at the level of coverage this story is getting now.
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dubc47834 (11-12-2013)
I'm unwilling to believe anything Incognito claims without actually seeing time stamped texts that can be read.Im not saying Incognito is a good guy or is innocent in all this. I'm just saying that Martin had options and it didn't have to get this far outa control. He had many options before just leaving the team, some good and some bad. Some may have been harded than others. If someone had been bullying you would you be sending them text AFTER you left the team? Then say that you didn't blame them, just the culture of the locker room? Like ESPN said last night, Martin never said it was Incognito specifically that was bullying him. The Miami Dolphins heard the voice mail and then suspended Incognito. Many players and coaches are going to take the fall on this, as should be. I like hte idea of having the counsel with big, trustable names like Tony Dungy and Don Shula trying to get to the bottom of this and coming up with good ideas to resolve the problems for the Dolphins. All I'm saying is let's not let Martin off the hook yet until the whole story comes out. Once it does, if Martin is blameless, I will eat crow...
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I don't know the details, but he had all 1100 or so text with him for the NFL Network interview and it was brought up last night by Chris Berman and Tom Jackson last nite on NFL Countdown. I would imagine the facts will start coming out late this week or early next week once Martin starts getting talked to by Dolphins and NFL brass. Should be interesting stuff. Like Caveat Emperor said, someone needs to sign Timmy Tebow already. This stuff is getting pretty old already!!!
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