Patrick Bateman (11-04-2013)
Yeah it's an nfl locker room but act like an adult, certainly being paid enough, his dad's posting shows its a family thing.
Richie Incognito is making Riley Cooper look like Medgar Evers.
"Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."
Incognito seemed to have some kind of obsession with Martin. Martin seems like a pretty intelligent and stable guy. Based on what we know so far, I can't blame him for feeling unsafe and taking the action he took.
Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David
Bullying is a real issue, not just in the NFL but in schools all across the country. Think of the high school or middle school kids who watch ESPN and are impressionable enough to think Richie Incognito is a role model and Jonathan Martin is a wuss. Even though we as adults see things differently, with children and teenagers it isn't as cut and dry. The NFL needs to send a message that shows a zero tolerance for bullying, similar to the Saints with the bounties. If not, you're sending a message to kids that bullying is ok and there are no consequences if you do it.
It's tricky also because even though Martin came forward, will others? If they do, are they going to be ostracized by teammates and/or coaches? In Martin's case, it's doubtful he'll play for MIA again. Are other GMs going to take a chance on him? Will they be reluctant to sign him because they worry that if anyone looks sideways at Martin he's going to holler about bullying? I seriously doubt Incognito will play in the NFL again so the most you could do is fine him. What about the other players? Incognito is getting all the blame but you have to think he hasn't acted alone. This whole thing was reportedly set up because all the linemen left when Martin went to sit down with them. Maybe all that was Incognito's idea but the others didn't have to go along with it. I'm not saying Martin is to blame but why did he take this so long without standing up for himself? Was he worried about all the other linemen who followed Incognito? I know he didn't want to be a snitch but you have to stand up for yourself too.
"It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."
I'm not a man of many words. Read my posts, and you'll see what I mean.
Some people are Optimists (They see the glass 1/2 full).
Others are Pessimists (They see the glass 1/2 empty).
Me, I'm a Realist. 1/2 empty IS 1/2 full.
So far we don't know who else might have been involved, so it would be premature for the Dolphins and the league to hand out more suspensions until they know more. It's important to make sure they determine the extent of the harrassment, who was involved and what was the extent of the involvement. In any case, I think the Dolphins are going to have to seriously examine the culture in the clubhouse and make some serious changes. I think the NFL is going to have to put guidelines in place to deal with future incidents. I doubt Incognito is suspended permanently because an arbitrator would likely overturn it. I think his suspension lasts until the investigation is completed, then the Dolphins decide whether to set a defined suspension or just cut him so that he can sign with a new team. It's going to be tougher for Martin. He will likely find it difficult to stay with the Dolphins, and it may take a team with strong veteran leadership willing to take him in under their wing. I get the feeling Incognito will be back on the field before Martin is.
Burn down the disco. Hang the blessed DJ. Because the music that he constantly plays, it says nothing to me about my life.
Some NFL personnel believe Martin should have kept this in-house and believe he's a coward.
Stuff like this will continue to happen as long as the phrase "boys will be boys" or as the article says "guys will be guys" is considered a valid excuse for moronic behavior everywhere!
"Why are those Dodger pitchers in the Reds bullpen?"-GAC August 28, 2009
Can you imagine if managers or HR reps at P&G or Apple told an employee who was having problems with a co-worker that the two should handle it with a fight? Or that allegations of racial-slurs and harassment should be a private matter between the two?
The NFL should impose an immediate gag-order, league wide, on this issue -- because everything being said right now (publicly and privately) is fodder for a huge future lawsuit.
Cincinnati Here We Go.
26 Years and Counting...
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