Damn. LOOKS like Incognito got screwed based on what I've read there. Don't know if these are real or not, but if they are.....ouch.
Damn. LOOKS like Incognito got screwed based on what I've read there. Don't know if these are real or not, but if they are.....ouch.
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dubc47834 (02-05-2014)
I think it's pretty safe to say that Martin comes out looking like a chump on this. I got blasted for my above comments, but I just didn't see Martin as being a "victim" in this case, just kinda insensitive. Its doesn't mean that the culture doesn't need to change in that locker room, just that Martin shoulda handled it better. You don't play a game with friends, then when you start losing, cry foul.
RiverRat13 (02-05-2014)
http://deadspin.com/investigation-fi...ami-1522833437
Ted Wells has released his report on allegations of bullying in the Dolphins locker room, and it's apparently bigger than just Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin.
Wells concluded that three players, Richie Incognito, John Jerry and Mike Pouncey, engaged in a "pattern of harassment" of Martin, another player, and an assistant trainer.
"The Report finds that the assistant trainer repeatedly was the object of racial slurs and other racially derogatory language; that the other offensive lineman was subjected to homophobic name-calling and improper physical touching; and that Martin was taunted on a persistent basis with sexually explicit remarks about his sister and his mother and at times ridiculed with racial insults and other offensive comments."
Some more stuff here, but just to warn everyone it contains some pretty graphic/explicit language:
http://deadspin.com/the-worst-stuff-...ati-1522846626
Last edited by CTA513; 02-14-2014 at 11:31 AM.
Tom Servo (02-14-2014)
All quiet on the Incognito defense front.
That said, I'll admit the thought briefly crossed my mind that maybe the bullying situation was overblown when those Incognito/Martin texts came out, but it was only a brief snapshot of a much deeper story, and it's obvious now from the messages to others that Martin was only trying to fit in.
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Wonderful Monds (02-15-2014)
Wow. I think Incognito needs to do some soul-searching on the homosexual front.
Yes, that Deadspin article is very damning, but it still doesn't change much for me. All along I have said that Incognito is not a good guy and has crossed a line. Also, Martin should have stepped up for himself and his sister. He didn't have to fight! Coach Philbin had no idea this was going on, he coulda nixed this before it got this far. If you don't like how people are treating you, it is your responsibility to let them or someone else know, this did not happen. Incognito is a POS, but Martin has some culpability in this for letting things get as far as they did! Now go ahead and blast away!!!
To be fair to Martin, there's at the very least some evidence that the line coach did know about it. All the evidence he accumulated told him that the coaches knew about Incognito's behavior and approved of it.
It's very difficult to be in that position, and to feel like you are all alone.
What's particularly damning to me is Incognito's behavior toward "Player A"(later revealed to be Practice Squad player Andrew McDonald")
If a veteran feels like he needs to break down a high profile/high draft choice, I may not approve of his methods, but I at least understand the point of it.
But when the veteran "leader" does the same to an undrafted guy busting his tail to simply stay on the team, then it shows he's just a bully who didn't give bleep about any team goals that came ahead of his need to exert his power.
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dubc47834 (02-16-2014)
What I wonder is if what happened in the Dolphins locker room is what happens in other NFL locker rooms. The players seem to be supporting Incognito so that makes me think what Incognito, et. al. did to Martin and the other guy wasn't unusual. Not excusing what they did and not condemning Martin but I'm not convinced that the Dolphins locker room is the exception and not the rule. I think "The Code" has prevented others from coming forward.
Joseph (02-18-2014)
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It does happen in other locker rooms, but I'm not sure how widespread it is. When the story broke, there were some players who mentioned bullying they've witnessed or experienced and some players from other teams spoke out against Incognito. Of course there were players who seem to believe it's just part of locker room bonding. I think different teams set different tones in their locker rooms. Some teams run a tight ship and some leave it up to the players to police themselves.
I think what's particularly troublesome about Incognito is his behavior extended beyond players to the staff. He also appears to have understood that he was crossing the line, telling his teammates to destroy the notebook from Kangaroo Court.
With the black eye the NFL has gotten on how they've dealt with concussions, they should probably come up with a clear anti-bullying policy. Seriously, with the mental health and concussion issues players are dealing with, future bullying incidents could end tragically.
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Martin traded to the 49ers. Reunited with Harbaugh and the Bay Area.
I really feel like the 49ers are going to blow up this season, and not in a good way.
Between Harbaughs contract dispute and now the backup QB making more money than the starter (Gabbert and Kaepernick) things just seem like they are going to reach a boiling point.
Will be curious to see how Martin is treated on a different team though. Might be the best possible landing spot for him with his former coach.
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