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    Re: Concepcion included on Expansion Era ballot for Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    I would respectfully disagree. Since the HOF has a flawed system (in my opinion), it's important to have the means rectify the inequities brought on my those flaws. And, frankly, there needs to be times where a keener eye can be given for those overlooked.

    Obviously you and I are not going to agree, but I think there are players who are not given their due and a subsequent look, IMO, is a good thing.
    I'm not against a subsequent look. Or even 2 or 3. But 15 consecutive subsequent looks? Too many. Followed by more subsequent looks from whatever they call the veteran's committee these days.

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    Re: Concepcion included on Expansion Era ballot for Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm Chortleton View Post
    That is exactly what I'm saying. 5 years is plenty of time to debate whether a player is HOF-worthy. It's senseless for guys like Andre Dawson, Bert Blyleven, Goose Gossage, Jim Rice, etc., to be on the ballot year after year and not get in. Then, when they reach their last year or two of eligibility, the voters say, "uh, oh, we better decide what to do with them."
    In theory you're right, but the voters are incredibly incompetent. They still haven't come around on Tim Raines (who was every bit as good as first ballot Tony Gwynn). Larry Walker pretty much duplicated Duke Snider's career at the plate, and then added sterling defense (7 Gold Gloves) and quality baserunning on top of it. Yet he's still stuck in the middle of the ballot. Curt Schilling pitched better than most of the arms in the HOF and voters greeted him with a shrug.

    Personally I'd scrap the current system entirely, but if the BBWAA vote continues then we've got to give those clods as much time as possible.
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    Re: Concepcion included on Expansion Era ballot for Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    In theory you're right, but the voters are incredibly incompetent. They still haven't come around on Tim Raines (who was every bit as good as first ballot Tony Gwynn). Larry Walker pretty much duplicated Duke Snider's career at the plate, and then added sterling defense (7 Gold Gloves) and quality baserunning on top of it. Yet he's still stuck in the middle of the ballot. Curt Schilling pitched better than most of the arms in the HOF and voters greeted him with a shrug.

    Personally I'd scrap the current system entirely, but if the BBWAA vote continues then we've got to give those clods as much time as possible.
    Of course Duke Snider wasn't elected to the Hall until his 11th (!) year on the ballot! I remember because he was my mother's favorite player.


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