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    Three reasons a manager's role has changed so dramatically

    Verducci is basically saying one manager is no different than another. That they are basically by the book (not The Book) cookie cutter managers who are beholden to the organizational philosophy and won't deviate from that.

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    Re: Three reasons a manager's role has changed so dramatically

    Interesting article.

    This sentence from the piece is amazing itself:

    "From 1990 to 2012 the number of six-out saves dropped from 320 to 19."

    With all the similarities, the differentiating factor between managers is their ability to sell and hold players accountable.

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    Re: Three reasons a manager's role has changed so dramatically

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBrick View Post
    Interesting article.

    This sentence from the piece is amazing itself:

    "From 1990 to 2012 the number of six-out saves dropped from 320 to 19."

    With all the similarities, the differentiating factor between managers is their ability to sell and hold players accountable.
    Just going off your comment, I wonder how much relief pitching in general changed from 1970 to 1990, using the same amount of time Verducci is using for his closer comparison.

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    Re: Three reasons a manager's role has changed so dramatically

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Just going off your comment, I wonder how much relief pitching in general changed from 1970 to 1990, using the same amount of time Verducci is using for his closer comparison.
    Incredibly, staffs of 9 were a norm for years and the numbers really show how much burden went on 2-3 guys instead of 5-6


    1961

    Code:
    BATTERS FACED                   BFP       G       GS       GF       IP       SV     
    1    Jim Brosnan                 335       53        0       34     80         16   
    2    Sherman Jones               239       24        2        9     55          2   
    3    Bill Henry                  224       47        0       32     53         16   
    4    Howie Nunn                  170       24        0       12     38          0   
    5    Marshall Bridges             98       13        0        5     21          0   
    6    Claude Osteen                 1        1        0        1      0.1        0

    1970
    Code:
    BATTERS FACED                   BFP       G       GS       GF       IP       SV     
    1    Clay Carroll                437       65        0       31    104         16   
    2    Wayne Granger               352       67        0       59     85         35   
    3    Ray Washburn                331       35        3        9     66          0   
    4    Don Gullett                 323       44        2       15     78          6   
    T5   Milt Wilcox                  92        5        2        1     22.1        1   
    T5   Jim Maloney                  92        7        3        3     17          1   
    7    John Noriega                 90        8        0        3     18          0   
    8    Pedro Borbon                 79       12        1        2     17.1        0   
    9    Mel Behney                   52        5        1        1     10          0   
    10   Bo Belinsky                  40        3        0        1      8          0
    2013

    Code:
    BATTERS FACED                   BFP       G       GS       GF       IP       SV     
    1    Alfredo Simon               359       63        0       20     87.2        1   
    2    J.J. Hoover                 269       69        0       23     66          3   
    3    Aroldis Chapman             258       68        0       55     63.2       38   
    4    Sam LeCure                  251       63        0       15     61          1   
    5    Logan Ondrusek              233       52        0       18     55          0   
    6    Manny Parra                 188       57        0        8     46          0   
    7    Jonathan Broxton            133       34        0        8     30.2        0   
    8    Curtis Partch               106       14        0        4     23.1        0   
    9    Zach Duke                    41       14        0        2     10.2        0   
    10   Sean Marshall                37       16        0        3     10.1        0   
    11   Pedro Villarreal             32        2        1        0      5.2        0   
    12   Nick Christiani              16        3        0        1      4          0   
    13   Justin Freeman                5        1        0        0      1          0

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    Re: Three reasons a manager's role has changed so dramatically

    Thanks WOY. I guess when I saw the comment it reeked of cherry picking data in order to prove a point. The game of baseball is evolving and has been evolving each and every year. I don't think a manager is any more or less important than it was 20-40-60 years ago.


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