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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    The Reds have officially made more moves today than they did at the All-Star break.
    To be fair, they made almost as many moves today as all of baseball made at the ASB
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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock of Truth View Post
    Hanigan had 29 Walks. Kozma had 34.
    Hanigan had a walk percentage 47% better than Kozma did last season.

    Terrible use of statistics to fit a preconceived notion.

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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cin/...&vkey=news_cin


    The Reds have made no formal announcement. In an interview earlier this week with MLB.com, general manager Walt Jocketty spoke about what he hoped to do this winter.

    "You have to try and improve the offense," Jocketty said. "That could be another hitter in the lineup. If we lose [Shin-Soo] Choo, we'll have to address the leadoff situation again. There's really no clear answer to that right now."

    It would seem that one of the incumbent Reds catchers will need to be dealt. Considering that Mesoraco is a former first-round pick of the Reds, tabbed to make less money and showed improvement in his second season, Hanigan appears to be the best bet of the two to be traded.

    A source told Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that Hanigan was likely to be moved by Cincinnati.

    If Hanigan doesn't return, it looks like Mesoraco will get his chance to show what he can do on a regular basis.

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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    Quote Originally Posted by malcontent View Post
    I wonder if Walt even considered Navarro.
    I'm guessing Navarro thinks he can get starter's money. He hit very well last year and he's probably taking this as his shot for a real contract.

    Walt is better off not playing that game. A few platoon/part time/bench players and one (or two?) more major acquistions is the likely plan.

    The timing of this is interesting. Tenders to arb eligible players are due December 2. So if Hanigan's on the block, we might see a trade before then.

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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    In fact, given his place as a sabermetric poster boy, it would not be at all surprising to see nearly the entirety of the American League East competing to acquire his services.
    Hanigan's OPB took a nosedive this year. Even the Saberfolk on here abandoned him in favor of Mesoraco.
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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Tim Beckham could be an interesting return for Hanigan. Or Hak-Ju Lee, if they were so inclined.
    Seeing how bad Beckham has been for the Rays, I wonder if the Reds could get Wesley Wright and Tim Beckham for Hanigan. That would be a pretty nice return to get a solid bullpen arm and a buy low, high upside second baseman.

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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    I absolutely love Hanny but there always comes a time when a player must go and really now is his time and especially if he gives us another critical piece. If we could get Brett Gardner for him that would be awesome.
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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    I absolutely love Hanny but there always comes a time when a player must go and really now is his time and especially if he gives us another critical piece. If we could get Brett Gardner for him that would be awesome.
    Hanigan had a .567 OPS last year.

    The Yankees are unlikely to make an even trade, Gardner for Hanigan, and give up 200 OPS points. Would probably be unwise for them to do so.

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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Hanigan had a .567 OPS last year.

    The Yankees are unlikely to make an even trade, Gardner for Hanigan, and give up 200 OPS points. Would probably be unwise for them to do so.
    Many believe Hanigan's nosedive offensively last season was due to his injury, and some bad luck. But even if his offense doesn't improve, he's a gold glove caliber defender at the most important defensive position on the field.

    I doubt the Yankees would do Hanigan for Garnder straight up, but it wouldn't take much more on the Reds end to make the trade work.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    Hanigan:

    • Never has had more than 320 abs in a season
    • Averages an EBH every 20 ab's
    • Is 32 years old
    • Was injured a few times last year
    • Hit under .200 last year


    Gardner had over 500 ab's last year and had 51 EBH, 6 less than Choo, as many as many as Frazier, 7 more than Phillips

    You might be able to get Brett Gardners Baseball card for Hanigan but you won't get the real thing

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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Hanigan:

    • Never has had more than 320 abs in a season
    • Averages an EBH every 20 ab's
    • Is 32 years old
    • Was injured a few times last year
    • Hit under .200 last year


    Gardner had over 500 ab's last year and had 51 EBH, 6 less than Choo, as many as many as Frazier, 7 more than Phillips

    You might be able to get Brett Gardners Baseball card for Hanigan but you won't get the real thing
    As Casey Stengal said: "you need a catcher or else you'll have a lot of passed balls."

    It's the most important defensive position on the field and Hanigan is as great at it as any catcher playing baseball right now.

    Never underestimate the value of a top defensive catcher to a contending team who doesn't have one.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    As Casey Stengal said: "you need a catcher or else you'll have a lot do passed balls."

    It's the most important defensive position on the field and Hanigan is as great at it as any catcher playing baseball right now.

    Never underestimate the value of a top defensive catcher to a contending team who doesn't have one.
    I don't, but it's also a position that doesn't stomach sub .600 OPS's, age and injuries.

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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    I don't, but it's also a position that doesn't stomach sub .600 OPS's, age and injuries.
    Earl Weaver disagrees. He once said Rick Dempsey would be his starting catcher if he never got a hit all season long.

    I'd bet that Hanigan bounces back and gets his OPS in the .600-650 range, at least.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Earl Weaver disagrees. He once said Rick Dempsey would be his starting catcher if he never got a hit all season long.

    I'd bet that Hanigan bounces back and gets his OPS in the .600-650 range, at least.
    You mean the same Earl Weaver who lusted after Earl Williams?

    Last 30 years of Reds catchers

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    OPS                           YEAR     OPS      AB     
    1    Ryan Hanigan             2013     .567      222   
    2    Bo Diaz                  1988     .579      315   
    3    Jeff Reed                1989     .598      287   
    4    Brad Gulden              1984     .615      292   
    5    Paul Bako                2008     .626      299   
    6    Joe Oliver               1991     .644      269   
    7    Devin Mesoraco           2013     .649      323   
    8    Joe Oliver               1993     .659      482   
    9    Joe Oliver               1990     .664      364   
    10   Brian Dorsett            1994     .664      216
    I like Hanny, but that was one ugly season

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    Re: Reds sign Brayan Pena

    Hanny's season WAS ugly but it was also so far below his norms it is suspicious and can be sold as an injury related aberration. Rather easily, I think. Gardner may be a bit much though. There is a limit.
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