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    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-m...d-in-baseball/

    I wanted to post this somewhere...why not here?

    For the pen - Seek out guys that throw gas. Ride them on the cheap. Rinse. Repeat.
    Will be fun if we take the Cardinals approach and put Stephenson and Lorenzen in the pen in late August and September and ride them to an NLCS appearance at the very least. Wishful thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-m...d-in-baseball/

    I wanted to post this somewhere...why not here?

    For the pen - Seek out guys that throw gas. Ride them on the cheap. Rinse. Repeat.
    I've been arguing this plan for years. I saw the Cardinals work it like a charm for decades. There are plenty of good arms who can get MLB hitters out the first few times around the league. Keep drafting them, plug them into the pen for a season or two, then bring up fresh ones when the league figures them out. No need to marry Ondrusek types. Just rent them
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    All I ask of you is a simple, "I was wrong."

    Take your time.
    Or, gosh... maybe you are? I know, I know... hard to fathom that.

    But I'll do the big boy thing and actually investigate it and then post results. Instead of insulting someone on a message board based entirely on hubris.

    Have a swell day!
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    Re: Eradi's Trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Hoover has a 50.6% lifetime fly ball rate.

    Reds play at GABP.

    Closer?
    Actually, that makes the case that he should be throwing clean innings rather than being counted on to clean up other people's messes. Giving up a shot hurts the team a lot less when it's a solo in the 9th inning of a 3 run game than when it's a 3 run bomb in the 7th inning of a 1 run game.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/c...ews+for+MLB%29


    Jonathan Broxton, coming off surgery to repair a torn flexor mass in his right forearm, might not be ready for spring training. The Reds could turn to another internal option such as J.J. Hoover, Alfredo Simon or Logan Ondrusek, but such a move would disrupt their well-constructed bullpen.

    Adding a free-agent closer? Chapman, projected to earn $4.6 million in his first year of arbitration by Matt Swartz of MLBTradeRumors.com, is more affordable than any who are available – and better than any of them, too.

    Remember, the Reds are trying to win. They probably do not want to add to the stress of bullpen management for Price, who is a former pitching coach but first-time manager. Oh, they always could invent a closer, but when teams do that it often is by accident, not because of any grand plan.

    Reinventing Chapman as a starter actually could weaken the Reds in both the bullpen and rotation. It might take Chapman a full season to re-acclimate to starting. And who knows whether he would even succeed?


    Chapman is easily flustered and does not always handle adversity well. As a starter he would be more vulnerable to irritants such as bunts, stolen bases, hitters who take pitches. As a reliever, he’s electric, a ninth-inning shot of adrenaline. Really, this choice should be easy.

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    If Ken Rosenthal is arguing that Chapman should be the closer, that's all the more reason why Chapman should be in the rotation.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    Re: Eradi's Trade

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Actually, that makes the case that he should be throwing clean innings rather than being counted on to clean up other people's messes. Giving up a shot hurts the team a lot less when it's a solo in the 9th inning of a 3 run game than when it's a 3 run bomb in the 7th inning of a 1 run game.
    No. It makes the case that in the ninth inning; of a close game; in a home run stadium like GABP; it's probably best not to put an extreme fly ball pitcher on the mound.

    If you think Hoover should pitch only "clean innings" he can do so earlier in games.

    The fact that a closer sometimes pitches with a three run lead should not drive the train. You pick a closer because he can nail down the close ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    No. It makes the case that in the ninth inning; of a close game; in a home run stadium like GABP; it's probably best not to put an extreme fly ball pitcher on the mound.

    If you think Hoover should pitch only "clean innings" he can do so earlier in games.

    The fact that a closer sometimes pitches with a three run lead should not drive the train. You pick a closer because he can nail down the close ones.
    I think you are overblowing his "extreme" "flyballness"

    Chapman 2013
    23.9 LD%
    33.6 GB%
    42.5 FB%
    10.4 IFFB%
    14.6 HR/FB%
    15.83 K/9
    4.1 BB/9

    Hoover 2013
    21.3 LD%
    30.8 GB%
    47.9 FB%
    12.3 IFFB%
    7.4 HR/FB%
    9.14 K/9
    3.55 BB/9


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