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    Re: Ellsbury to the Yankees

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm Chortleton View Post
    Ellsbury's contract is the 3rd-largest ever given to an OFer. Only ManRam and Kemp have had larger (both 8/$160). If you go by yearly average, Ellsbury's 7/$153 is No. 1.
    Isn't Josh Hamilton's yearly average higher?
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    Re: Ellsbury to the Yankees

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    If you look at the era that we're suddenly in, it's a lot like pre-1993 MLB, except with more power. The pitching can mow through lineups, but there's a more consistent threat that someone is going to drill one.

    OB, technically, should be at a premium, though with OB down leaguewide other abilities - power, speed, defense - play a larger role in winning games. The odd thing teams may overpay for those other abilities and ignore players who excel at OB a bit because they don't check off some of the other boxes. Getting to the point, I suspect there's some more Matt Carpenters out there.
    I did a quick check, from the recent height of scoring, Y2K, to last year.

    HR's are down 18%, BB's down 20%, Hits down 7%, Doubles down 8%

    Looking at that, a GM could fixate on upping the Homers and Walks (which are linked, of course). But the Homers are Walks are gone. Better to get your base-hit on, with a smidge of speed on the side.

    Matt Carpenter is a great example. Or even -- to pick a guy at random -- Joey Votto.
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    Re: Ellsbury to the Yankees

    Quote Originally Posted by blumj View Post
    Isn't Josh Hamilton's yearly average higher?
    Maybe. I was just going by a list of the top 5 largest OF contracts in overall dollars, then getting yearly average for those. On that list it was 1. Ramirez 2. Kemp 3. Ellsbury 4. Crawford 5. Soriano

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    Re: Ellsbury to the Yankees

    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    I did a quick check, from the recent height of scoring, Y2K, to last year.
    I don't think Y2K is all that applicable. It was just a completely different environment. I'd check against more similar eras and look to spot the differences.
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    Re: Ellsbury to the Yankees

    I'll go on record. I think this will go down as a bad contract. Too much money for too many years, for an oft-injured 30 year old with minimal power. I'm ok with McCann's deal for Yanks but no this one.


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