If true, that's Walt's first mistake. He should know now whether or not Bailey can be extended. I'm sure he has discussions with Bailey and his agent. If they can't extend him to a LT deal, then losing him next year for a lousy draft pick is the worst possible scenario.
The Reds have a limited window to win. Why lose Bailey for a draft pick who could be a bust, or take 2-5 years to get to the Majors? That doesn't help the Reds in 2015 or 2016 does it?
Be proactive-- move Bailey for players that can help in 2014, 2015 and beyond. Don't say, oh well, we tried to resign him-- and lose a valuable asset in Bailey for a draft pick. What kind of leadership and management is that?
Look @ Tampa Bay-- they moved Shields-- granted he had 2 years on his deal, but they got a player back who helped them win in 2013 and got some more players for the future.
We will have to agree to disagree, but I think losing a player in Bailey for a draft pick when you know he won't resign is a long term losing decision.
The Reds can easily move Bailey, improve the team somewhere else, and then go ahead and sign Arroyo to fill his spot in the rotation. Yeah it's a downgrade, but the pieces from a Bailey trade can improve the roster elsewhere.
Silly to let a good, durable 28 year old FA pitcher leave for just a draft pick when you can get so much more for him now.
JMac84 (12-30-2013)
Sweet, so lose 2 SP's for 2 draft picks? Each SP should net 2-3 decent prospects in return. If you know you are going to lose them, trade them and get full value for them in return. Not partial value via 1 draft pick. Trades, not losing players for 1 draft pick really help improve teams farm systems the most. And the Reds @ the moment have a below average farm system.
Good teams realize they can't sign their stars and move them for a bunch of prospects to replenish their farm system and stay competitive. See Tampa Bay.
We will have to agree to disagree, but I think it's a waste if the Reds know they can't resign Bailey and lose him for just a draft pick. There should be much better options for the Reds to take to maximize Bailey's value.
You're willing to trade away your best relief pitcher by far for a guy with a 96 OPS+ in his rookie year with over 400 PA? Keep in mind, you'd also be replacing your GG second baseman with a -9.6 UZR/150 guy.
Plus it's not like he can't do anything in Seattle, they'll probably move him over to SS with Ryan gone.
RedlegJake (12-29-2013)
Depending on who you get in return I cant completely disagree with you. If you could get a Major league ready OF prospect and another lower level prospect or two I wouldn't be against it. That said however I can't imagine the Reds, who have playoff hopes trading Homer Bailey just to get some guys who will spend the year in AA.
This is just a silly argument. The point is NOT being made that Phillips is in any way better than Cano - it's a matter of value. 24 million for Cano or 11 million for Phillips? Unless you're a really rich franchise Phillips contract leaves you 13 million to ten million a year for another player plus a lot less years on the hook. That is what makes Phillips a better value in some people's eyes. Not that he is a better or more productive player. If you just ignore dollars then of course Cano is better.
99% of all numbers only tell 33% of the story so when looking at the numbers remember that numbers is plural...
Cano has many years on his deal? How many does Brandon have? That and along with the money value. As for that 13 million, I bet if you offered Homer say $13-14 million a year over the next 4 years he would take it. So you would get Homer and Phillips for the next 4 years and then still have 6 years of $24 some odd million to spend each year. Again for true value, Phillips is a better value for a franchise then Cano is.
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