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    Winter Meetings Thread -- Deals and Rumors

    Thought it might help things to have a separate thread devoted to deals and rumors coming from the Winter Meetings. Not limited to Reds.

    But hopefully including some good Reds deals or, at least, rumors.

    I know there is a general off-season deals thread, but just thought it might help if there was a special thread for this week's activities.

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    Re: Winter Meetings Thread -- Deals and Rumors

    Numerous reports state that Walt will be pretty active this week in discussions. Granted, that doesn't mean something will get done, but I bet he'll lay the groundwork for a big(ger) trade like he has with Latos, Marshall, et al.

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    Re: Winter Meetings Thread -- Deals and Rumors

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

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    Re: Winter Meetings Thread -- Deals and Rumors

    Quote Originally Posted by mattfeet View Post
    Numerous reports state that Walt will be pretty active this week in discussions. Granted, that doesn't mean something will get done, but I bet he'll lay the groundwork for a big(ger) trade like he has with Latos, Marshall, et al.
    Lets hope so! Where'd you see this?

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    Are any Redszoners in Orlando and going to the meetings this year?
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    Re: Winter Meetings Thread -- Deals and Rumors

    Aroldis Chapman for Austin Jackson - get it done, Walt.

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    Re: Winter Meetings Thread -- Deals and Rumors

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJ View Post
    Lets hope so! Where'd you see this?
    mlb.com has an article up about it.

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    Re: Winter Meetings Thread -- Deals and Rumors

    According to ctrent on twitter Pirates and Bronson Arroyo have mutual interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Aroldis Chapman for Austin Jackson - get it done, Walt.
    Sure that'd be great, but why would Detroit consider this after giving big money to Joe Nathan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Sure that'd be great, but why would Detroit consider this after giving big money to Joe Nathan?
    Because the bullpen was that bad last year - 2 headed monster of Nathan and Chapman would be insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Because the bullpen was that bad last year - 2 headed monster of Nathan and Chapman would be insane.
    Tigers looking to add an outfielder according to all reports. Not subtract an outfielder.

    I guess Chapman would double in CF.

    And Detroit is smart wouldn't they prefer a failed starter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    And Detroit is smart wouldn't they prefer a failed starter?
    That's why Chapman is a good fit.

    Also, They got their wish as Nathan is a failed starter. He started 29 games in his first 2 years for the Giants.

    You are right though, Detroit is smart - they would never trade a major league asset for a closer, which is why Chapman is now not nearly as valuable as he once was.
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    Re: Winter Meetings Thread -- Deals and Rumors

    I don't like that deal from our side. If we acquire Jackson, where does Hamilton fit? Plus I think RZ generally undervalues Chapman, in any role.

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    Man, it's amazing to me how much people have soured on Chapman just because they want him to start.
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    Re: Winter Meetings Thread -- Deals and Rumors

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    That's why Chapman is a good fit.

    Also, They got their wish as Nathan is a failed starter. He started 29 games in his first 2 years for the Giants.

    You are right though, Detroit is smart - they would never trade a major league asset for a closer, which is why Chapman is now not nearly as valuable as he once was.
    So let's see. Nathan hasn't started an mlb game in thirteen years. He has been a closer for nine years.

    Tigers could have gone for some medium starter and converted him. Or gone to the scrap heap.

    No, they went for an all star closer and at age 39 still think his closing ability and experience is good enough for $20 million over two years. They are paying him in 2014 more than double what Chapman is projected to earn.

    Sounds like they value experienced, able closers, those Tigers.
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