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    Diamondbacks acquired RHP Addison Reed from the White Sox for 3B Matt Davidson.


    Damnit, I wish we could have gotten Davidson especially since all Chicago gave up was a young bullpen guy raking up meaningless saves for them. It really seems like Arizona GM Kevin Towers doesn't know what the hell he's doing this offseason.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Diamondbacks acquired RHP Addison Reed from the White Sox for 3B Matt Davidson.


    Damnit, I wish we could have gotten Davidson especially since all Chicago gave up was a young bullpen guy raking up meaningless saves for them. It really seems like Arizona GM Kevin Towers doesn't know what the hell he's doing this offseason.
    That's all it took? I don't know much about Reed but Davidson was a highly ranked prospect in AZ. I think the Reds may have missed the boat on this one.

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    Reed is a good relief pitcher with four years of team control, including one more season at league minimum. Who should the Reds have traded for a guy who *might* be a marginal upgrade over Frazier?
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    Reed probably has more value than Aroldis Chapman after you factor in contracts due over the next couple of years.

    In other words, don't expect much in return for Chapman now that he said he won't start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Reed is a good relief pitcher with four years of team control, including one more season at league minimum. Who should the Reds have traded for a guy who *might* be a marginal upgrade over Frazier?
    Hoover. In a heartbeat.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilHamburger View Post
    Reed probably has more value than Aroldis Chapman after you factor in contracts due over the next couple of years.

    In other words, don't expect much in return for Chapman now that he said he won't start.
    If all you value is contracts and team control, maybe. But Reed is Sam LeCure or JJ Hoover who was given a closers role. He wasn't even that good in it.

    Chapman is one of the most elite arms in MLB.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    I have no doubt Chapman is better, but he's about to be paid a bunch of money to close games out at an elite level. His value in terms of a trade goes down as his salary goes up, especially with teams that don't value the closer role a ton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilHamburger View Post
    I have no doubt Chapman is better, but he's about to be paid a bunch of money to close games out at an elite level. His value in terms of a trade goes down as his salary goes up, especially with teams that don't value the closer role a ton.
    It's a good point, but clearly, at least the Diamondbacks value the closer role a ton, lol.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    Indians signed Shaun Marcum to a minor league deal. He would've been nice depth for the rotation.

    I know it's unfair to get on Walt's case when you don't know the reasons why someone was or wasn't signed, especially if the player chose another team because he thought he would get more playing time. But, it certainly would be nice to see him do something to improve the club, or at the very least provide depth in case of injury. I mean there has to be more than Skip Schumaker, even if it's not huge, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilHamburger View Post
    Indians signed Shaun Marcum to a minor league deal. He would've been nice depth for the rotation.

    I know it's unfair to get on Walt's case when you don't know the reasons why someone was or wasn't signed, especially if the player chose another team because he thought he would get more playing time. But, it certainly would be nice to see him do something to improve the club, or at the very least provide depth in case of injury. I mean there has to be more than Skip Schumaker, even if it's not huge, right?
    I agree but let's be patient still 3 months till pitchers and catchers report. And we already made the biggest move we could make. Hiring Brian price as manager. I have a feeling his managing is going to help negate the loss of choo. And if we improve the lineup at all it's just gravy

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    Re: Winter Meetings Thread -- Deals and Rumors

    If this winter season goes by and we still have Homer Bailey, I'll consider it a huge success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Reed is a good relief pitcher with four years of team control, including one more season at league minimum. Who should the Reds have traded for a guy who *might* be a marginal upgrade over Frazier?
    Because he's like 5 years younger if I recall correctly

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    Quote Originally Posted by HokieRed View Post
    If this winter season goes by and we still have Homer Bailey, I'll consider it a huge success.
    FWIW, I have found the Reds' inaction in the MLB player acquisition department to be very surprising this calendar year. The inaction at the deadline didn't help the ball club. And the inaction this off-season so far is disturbing given the clear team needs.

    However, I do take some solace from the complete quiet since the Winter Meetings. Often with the Reds there's quiet before the storm. I'd note that Choo has been quiet of late as well, although he could be working with another team, like the Rangers.

    I guess I find it inconceivable that Walt will stick with this ball club, as is, and just have to assume something is on the horizon.

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    \Chapman is one of the most elite arms in MLB.
    There are outing were Chapman is absolutely untouchable and as a fan...boy, those are fun.

    But the thing is, those aren't all the outings. You look at save ratio's and such and Chapman blows about as many games as Cordero did. Let's see....

    As a Red....Chapman has 77 saves and 13 Blown Saves.
    As a Red...Cordero had 150 saves and....24 Blown Saves.

    You can go up and down the list of ways to measure effectiveness and if Chapman is measurably better than other closers it just doesn't show up.

    If Chapman is going to be a closer (and all signs are exactly that is what he is going to be) and he's going to paid in the many millions and I can get value for him?....then he should be traded.
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