Here was the original thing I quoted.
"Originally Posted by bullseye View Post
The Reds put up a ton of numbers against bad pitching. Take a look at our numbers against opponents top 3 pitchers and you will be amazed at how bad we were."
Originally Posted by Scotly View Post
i noticed this also. The Reds seemed to have the ability to score 10 runs, then barely score a run a game for the next week."
Scot writes, the Reds seem to have the ability to score 10 runs then barely score a run a game for the next week.
I noticed this as well, so I wanted to know how often the Reds got shutout this past season and how it compared to similar hitting teams.
In addition, I wanted to know if the Reds were shut down more often than other similar teams, and by this I went with scoring 3 runs or less is being shutdown. I wanted to know if BULLSEYE was right and we were getting shut down quite frequently vs teams compared to other similar teams.
So I had to compare the Reds to other NL teams to be consistent as AL teams had a DH, and the best measure of how good an offense is, is to look @ the # of runs scored.
Based on that, I chose Atlanta, who were similar to the Reds in runs scored and the Cards who were the best team in the NL in terms of runs scored. Seems logical so far doesn't it?
I looked @ the # of times each of the teams were shutout. It's black and white, no grey. You either got shutout, or you didn't.
Then of course I looked @ the times they scored 3 runs or less-- it's black or white-- you either score 0,1,2 or 3 runs, or you don't.
Comparing a black/white variable among similar teams is not cherry picking the results. It's black and white. The Reds were no worse than similar or better teams in terms of getting shutout last year. I don't have time to do all the NL teams to compare. But hey, maybe later I'll go ahead and look @ the #'s for all the NL teams last year.
But for giggles, I just checked looked @ the Cubs data. They were shutout 16 times, and scored 3 runs or less 82 times. That's a bad offense.
Cherry picking would be me looking @ just the home totals for runs scored and ignoring road totals. Or just looking @ weekend games, or games vs teams .500 or lower. But I'm not, I'm looking @ runs scored, by game, for the entire season.
If you aren't happy with the results, so be it. But by no means am I cherry picking the results. I'm comparing apples to apples. Times shutout, and times scoring 3 runs or less by a team for the entire season. It's straightforward. Geesh.
No, there isn't anything out there like Batting Average with runners in scoring position in a tie/1 run down game after the 7th. Or however you want to define the criteria for what a must need hit is. Whether it's in the 9th only, or when the games tied or what.
Someone who is good with Microsoft Access could build a nice database by loading all individual game logs and then create queries and search that way.
It would be interesting to see the #'s. Just looking @ things like .avg with 2 outs or .avg with RSIP really doesn't tell you what you wanted.
Actually, Baseball Reference has a stat called clutch. I'll look into that for you. The Reds were -3.2, the Cards were +4.1. So if it feels like the Reds aren't clutch-- they probably weren't last year.
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