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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    I guess the question is.. Which Drew are you going to get?
    Drew's last few years and OPS


    2010 810
    2011 713
    2012 657
    2103 777

    By comparison, Cozart's lifetime OPS is 680. Drew just seems to be risky. Is this a guy that only has a big year in his contract year?
    But I can see if you and kpresidente think he will OPS 777 again that it would be a great addition (I can see your points).
    I see an expensive guy that might only be marginally better than Cozart offensively.
    I draw the complete opposite conclusion.

    Zack Cozart in 1218 PAs in two full seasons has never OPS'd as high as .700 and never OBP'd as high as .300.

    Stephen Drew is a lifetime .764 OPS/.329 OBP player.

    Your list is skewed by 2012 in which Drew was coming off a serious ankle break with ligament damage, missed several months, then had limited at bats for two teams, and didn't do well.

    His 2011 was cut short due to this injury.

    Hard to predict the future, but so far Drew has been a much superior hitter.
    Last edited by Kc61; 12-30-2013 at 01:42 PM.

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    Re: Offseason Deals and Rumors

    I wasn't thinking Cozart v Drew so much as Phillips v Drew. I like Drew better because I expect a higher OBP and better value over the life of the contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Your list is skewed by 2012 in which Drew was coming off a serious ankle break with ligament damage, missed several months, then had limited at bats for two teams, and didn't do well.

    His 2011 was cut short due to this injury.

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    Ok, thanks, didn't realize this. In light of this info, the case for signing Drew is stronger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Ok, thanks, didn't realize this. In light of this info, the case for signing Drew is stronger.
    Drew and Phillips, if both healthy, would be a tremendous middle infield for now. Not too many teams have offense and defense that good.

    However, they would be an expensive middle infield, both have injury histories, and both are 30 or more.

    If the Reds are intent on playing Hamilton this year, the addition of Drew would help the offense, particularly against RHP.

    Might go with

    Hamilton
    Drew
    Votto
    Ludwick
    Bruce
    Phillips
    Frazier
    Mesoraco

    or could switch Phillips and Drew. Or could hit Drew and Phillips 1-2 and hit BH eighth to begin.

    Not bad.

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    Walt confirmed today what we've known for quite sometime:

    “It’s been very quiet,” Jocketty said Friday. “I haven’t had one discussion with another team or an agent. That could change next week. But I think if we do anything, it will probably be a smaller type of deal.”

    The reason is the Reds are at or near their budget for player payroll.

    Free agent Bronson Arroyo is still out there and probably will to sign for less that this point, but he’s still unlikely out of the Reds’ price range.

    “I don’t see how we make it fit financially,” Jocketty said.

    There’s been some speculation about the Reds and free agents who received a qualifying offer, meaning the Reds would lose a draft pick to sign them. I didn’t spend much time on Twitter over the break, but I did see Stepthen Drew and Nelson Cruz mentioned.

    Jocketty said flatly that the Reds won’t sign a free agent of that stature.

    “No, definitely not,” he said. “We don’t have the money.”
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    ďNo, definitely not,Ē he said. ďWe donít have the money.Ē
    Whose fault is that, but yours Walt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Walt confirmed today what we've known for quite sometime:
    This is pretty frustrating. I'm also not sure if I believe it. If true, how were they EVER going to be in play for Choo? How were they ever going to offer Arroyo a contract? I get not being able to assume a nine figure contract, but how could they have no room under the budget if they weren't being disingenuous about those moves?

    I'll admit, every year I get frustrated with Walt and at my boiling point, he usually surprises me with a splashy move. I was hoping this year would be no different, but I am beginning to lose hope. I'm hoping history repeats itself but I'm not optimistic.

    If payroll is really THE limiting factor, the Broxton signing was even more awful than I thought. And I hated it at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    If payroll is really THE limiting factor, the Broxton signing was even more awful than I thought. And I hated it at the time.
    I'm right there with you on this. Terrible, terrible move.
    "Iíll kind of have a foot on the back of my own butt. Thatís just how I do things.Ē -- Bryan Price, 10/22/2013

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    Re: Offseason Deals and Rumors

    I don't care about the "not signing free agents" stuff as much as the "we don't have the money" stuff.

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    What I don't get is the week after the season Walt said, "I know how to build a winner. I've done it before." And said the team needed to address both the leadoff spot and the #4 spot.

    This was after the season. Then nothing. If they didn't have the money why did he even say that? Something doesn't add up to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilHamburger View Post
    What I don't get is the week after the season Walt said, "I know how to build a winner. I've done it before." And said the team needed to address both the leadoff spot and the #4 spot.

    This was after the season. Then nothing. If they didn't have the money why did he even say that? Something doesn't add up to me.
    I think he thought he was going to move BP. When he didn't, the plan fell apart.
    "Iíll kind of have a foot on the back of my own butt. Thatís just how I do things.Ē -- Bryan Price, 10/22/2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Walt confirmed today what we've known for quite sometime:
    2011 Part II: Electric Boogaloo

    I expect nothing from the Reds this coming season. Incredible.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Offseason Deals and Rumors

    3rd place must be status quo now

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    I'm sure if the right move came around money could be found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    3rd place must be status quo now
    Maybe in 2014. After that it might be best case scenario considering the track Theo has the Cubs on.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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