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    Whatever value Heisey brings with power and defense, he is wiping out by his plate approach. His walk rate last year was below 4%. (K rate almost 21%.) We use the term a lot, but he's become the classic out machine.

    Paul wasn't a good fielder. But his plate approach was far superior to Heisey's.

    IMO you can't have a bunch of players with below .300 OBPs on your team. Even .310 isn't very good. Heisey needs to work on this problem or nobody will want him as his price tag goes up in arbitration and he'll find himself signing minor league contracts with spring training invites.
    What's considered good for a bench player? 330 OBP?
    I agree that OBP is important, but I think people are splitting hairs a bit.
    A bench guy that gets 100 plate appearances.. 020 more points of OBP (compared to the 310 benchmark) is just reaching base 2 more times.

    Heisey is valuable on the bench because he can play all 3 OF spots pretty well.
    If he could actually hit/OBP well, he'd be a starter.
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    Re: Offseason Deals and Rumors

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    What's considered good for a bench player? 330 OBP?
    I agree that OBP is important, but I think people are splitting hairs a bit.
    A bench guy that gets 100 plate appearances.. 020 more points of OBP (compared to the 310 benchmark) is just reaching base 2 more times.

    Heisey is valuable on the bench because he can play all 3 OF spots pretty well.
    If he could actually hit/OBP well, he'd be a starter.
    Heisey had a .279 OBP and a 3.7 percent walk rate last year. And almost 21 percent K rate. I don't think it's splitting hairs to be unhappy with that. And he had 244 PAs.
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    I agree with KC on Heisey. His value is all in his defensive versatility and that's not what got him to the majors. Having some pop potential got him here but he's regressed imo.
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    Re: Offseason Deals and Rumors

    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/561

    Bill Bray wants to pitch in 2014 and hopes to sign with a team by May, according to Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer Press.
    Bray was limited to just 4 1/3 innings with the Nationals' Double-A affiliate last season due to back, groin and shoulder issues. Prior to 2013 the southpaw was effective as a reliever, limiting lefties to a .218/.312/.331 line for his career. If he proves to be healthy, the 30-year-old could catch on with a team looking for left-handed bullpen help. Feb 8 - 11:50 PM
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    Re: Offseason Deals and Rumors

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Heisey had a .279 OBP and a 3.7 percent walk rate last year. And almost 21 percent K rate. I don't think it's splitting hairs to be unhappy with that. And he had 244 PAs.
    What's more troubling is that he had a few different stints where he got quite a few starts in a row, so it wasn't like he wasn't given a chance to figure it out.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: Offseason Deals and Rumors

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Even .310 isn't very good.
    The major league average last year was .317 (.315 in the NL), so a .310 OBA for a bench player is likely above average.

    Last year, the average PH had a .288 OBA in the NL, .295 in MLB.

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    Re: Offseason Deals and Rumors

    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/777/kendrys-morales


    Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports that there is "mutual interest" between the Pirates and Kendrys Morales.
    Cafardo writes that the Pirates "would love" Morales at the right price, but "they may also pursue a first baseman via trade." They've long been mentioned as a potential landing spot for Ike Davis, and Cafardo also lists Adam Lind, Mitch Moreland, Justin Smoak, Daniel Nava and Mike Carp as possible targets. Signing Morales would require the Pirates to forfeit their first-round draft pick. They'd also probably no longer be able to afford Morales if they wind up re-signing A.J. Burnett.

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    The major league average last year was .317 (.315 in the NL), so a .310 OBA for a bench player is likely above average.

    Last year, the average PH had a .288 OBA in the NL, .295 in MLB.
    Well, whether he's a starter, a bench player, or a pinch hitter, Heisey doesn't quite make the cut. His OBP was .279 last season.
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    Heisey had a .279 OBP and a 3.7 percent walk rate last year. And almost 21 percent K rate. I don't think it's splitting hairs to be unhappy with that. And he had 244 PAs.
    But the point is, you said a 310 OBP from a bench player wasn't that great.

    I think most people think a 330 OBP is good for a bench player. The point is, there's not much of a difference.

    The Reds added Schumaker to help with the OBP off the bench. That will help.
    Hopefully Heisey and Hannahan will hit a little bit better, but honestly, the playoffs will not be made or missed based on the bench (no matter how good or bad it is).
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    I can't see the Reds sitting on their hands through this entire season. The direction of sprin training and the first few weeks will probably decide which way they move.

    Sometimes the smartest thing is waiting and not rushing out to waste money on someone that isn't as good as what you can get later.
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    Re: Offseason Deals and Rumors

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    I can't see the Reds sitting on their hands through this entire season.
    Really?
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: Offseason Deals and Rumors

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    But the point is, you said a 310 OBP from a bench player wasn't that great.
    Here's what I actually said --

    "IMO you can't have a bunch of players with below .300 OBPs on your team. Even .310 isn't very good. Heisey needs to work on this problem or nobody will want him as his price tag goes up in arbitration and he'll find himself signing minor league contracts with spring training invites."

    Do you really disagree with this? Do you really think -- even in a period of down offense -- that the Reds will succeed with a bunch of sub-.300 OBP players? Do you really think .310 is a desirable OBP on a contending team?
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    Re: Offseason Deals and Rumors

    [QUOTE=Gallen5862;3035205]http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/561

    Bill Bray wants to pitch in 2014 and hopes to sign with a team by May, according to Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer Press.
    Bray was limited to just 4 1/3 innings with the Nationals' Double-A affiliate last season due to back, groin and shoulder issues. Prior to 2013 the southpaw was effective as a reliever

    Seems misleading to me, as if he was ever healthy before 2013.
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    Re: Offseason Deals and Rumors

    If the Reds can ink Bailey to a long-term deal, and the Marlins face the reality that is getting rid of Stanton...how would you all feel about a deal with the main pieces being Stephenson and Winker/Ervin going back?
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    Re: Offseason Deals and Rumors

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    If the Reds can ink Bailey to a long-term deal, and the Marlins face the reality that is getting rid of Stanton...how would you all feel about a deal with the main pieces being Stephenson and Winker/Ervin going back?
    No thanks from me. I know Stanton can be a stud, with tons of power, but even if we can keep Homer, the Reds are still looking at Latos/Cueto/Leake all being up after 2015, and will need Stephenson to replace one of them.

    Not to mention the financial cost of Bailey/Stanton plus what it will take to keep one of Latos/Cueto/Leake.


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