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    Re: SEC football discussion thread #3

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    Yet Bama's resume was better than anything the Big Ten could throw out there for it's teams.
    I really don't see how anyone could say they had a better season than Michigan State.
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    Re: SEC football discussion thread #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful View Post
    This is a good argument.



    I really don't see how anyone could say they had a better season than Michigan State.
    Given the results of the bowls, I agree. Personally, I think Bama should now drop out of the top 25.

    But concerning arguments for a national championship bid...different story. And the article was a pretty weak argument-somehow the computer and coaches association are all doing ESPN's bidding while people in the south are evangelicals that can't understand how the coaches across all conferences and other experts sprinkled across the country are all taking marching orders from ESPN?
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    Re: SEC football discussion thread #3

    The ESPN pimps the SEC argument is a little rough, given that the marquee SEC game every Saturday is actually on CBS.

    Oh, C. Vann Woodward was also probably the proudest Southerner ever.
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    I was thinking about this the other day. Was the old system better? In the current BCS system you get the arbitrarily decided top two teams playing each other. After watching MSU play you can't give me a valid reason other than "its the SEC" that Auburn deserves it over MSU. MSU best win is over OSU who has played about as difficult of a schedule as FSU has. Alabama is great but they laid an egg to a pretty blah Oklahoma team.

    With the old system more than 1 (maybe 2) bowl games mattered. In the old system more games mattered. In the old system you could say, maybe someone wasn't as good as we thought. The old system was like the last week in the regular season, teams playing for everything, in the current flawed BCS system, only one game matters.

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    Re: SEC football discussion thread #3

    MSU lost to Notre Dame. At home.

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    MSU lost to Notre Dame. At home.
    Wrong. The game was in South Bend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revering4Blue View Post
    Wrong. The game was in South Bend.
    Sorry. MSU lost to ND. In South Bend.

    Either way is pretty damning for a team hoping to be considered for a national title.

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    Re: SEC football discussion thread #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Red View Post
    Sorry. MSU lost to ND. In South Bend.

    Either way is pretty damning for a team hoping to be considered for a national title.
    Actually MSU lost to both ND and the refs in South Bend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    I was thinking about this the other day. Was the old system better? In the current BCS system you get the arbitrarily decided top two teams playing each other. After watching MSU play you can't give me a valid reason other than "its the SEC" that Auburn deserves it over MSU. MSU best win is over OSU who has played about as difficult of a schedule as FSU has. Alabama is great but they laid an egg to a pretty blah Oklahoma team.

    With the old system more than 1 (maybe 2) bowl games mattered. In the old system more games mattered. In the old system you could say, maybe someone wasn't as good as we thought. The old system was like the last week in the regular season, teams playing for everything, in the current flawed BCS system, only one game matters.
    Well, there were fewer bowl games then. When I was growing up I think I could count the number of bowls on two hands. Now there are 35 counting the BCS Championship game. Any team that's halfway decent can go to a bowl game now. It's really not that much of an accomplishment.

    I think, for me, that the pre-determined matchups are a problem. If they didn't make the BCS games you have something like #3 SEC vs. #3 Big 10 and #2 ACC vs. #2 Big 12. Inevitably you get the same teams matching up every few years going to the same bowls. IIRC, this year was the 3rd time in about 10 years LSU and Iowa have faced each other in a bowl game. I know in the old system the Rose had Big 10 champ vs Pac 10 champ and the Cotton, Sugar and Orange all had a conference champ vs. whoever. The lesser bowls could take whoever they wanted. You get different matchups in different bowls.
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    Re: SEC football discussion thread #3

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Actually MSU lost to both ND and the refs in South Bend.
    This is sort of like claiming Miami actually won that national title in '03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Red View Post
    This is sort of like claiming Miami actually won that national title in '03.
    Bama actually won it that year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Bama actually won it that year.
    How exactly did they manage to do that? They snuck in and beat both Ohio State and Miami in OT (and I'm talking about the game played in '03 and not the '03 season)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Red View Post
    This is sort of like claiming Miami actually won that national title in '03.
    I can play this game too.

    Auburn lost to LSU. LSU lost to "mighty teams" with names like Georgia (who of course should have beaten the War Eagle) and Ole Miss. Pretty damning for Auburn to be in the title game with that reasoning. Two way streets are fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Red View Post
    How exactly did they manage to do that? They snuck in and beat both Ohio State and Miami in OT (and I'm talking about the game played in '03 and not the '03 season)?
    Right but a ten win Bama team didn't get a chance to play for the National Championship that year....
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    Re: SEC football discussion thread #3

    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    I can play this game too.

    Auburn lost to LSU. LSU lost to "mighty teams" with names like Georgia (who of course should have beaten the War Eagle) and Ole Miss. Pretty damning for Auburn to be in the title game with that reasoning. Two way streets are fun!
    Not really. Everyone with a brain knows LSU is a much better team than Notre Dame this year. And Michigan State finally has its second quality win after the Rose Bowl. Unfortuanately for them, Auburn got its two quality wins before the bowl pairings came out, and if they get #3 on Monday there's no question who is more deserving based on the current system (or even the old system...although Auburn wouldn't have played FSU in the old system).

    Now, if we had a +1 system in place, Michigan State would be playing the winner of Monday's game. But their redemption just came too late.


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