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    Re: Black Monday Starts Early

    Shanahan will be fired Monday according to Glazer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    Glazer says Chud will meet with the Browns to try and convince them not to can him which contradicts Morts report that it is a done deal. Lerner is said to be after Bill O'Brien again.
    To coach Aston Villa? Lerner doesn't own the Browns any more.
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    But Marvin was salt to go 8-8 his first two years, not 4-12 or 2-14. He immediately took the team from absolutely horrible to at least competitive from the start

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    The Browns' problem is that, while they have some very good players, they also have quite a few poor players accustomed to losing carried over from the previous regime. I think you have to give a coach at least two offseasons to get enough turnover to make the team his own. It took Marvin Lewis years before he was finally able to de-Bungle the Bengals. In the meantime, he had to rely on hokie motivational gimmicks just to get the team to mediocrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yachtzee View Post
    To coach Aston Villa? Lerner doesn't own the Browns any more.
    Sorry brain fart meant Haslam though I doubt it matters who owns that team these days.
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    I'm guessing Shannahan, Schwartz, Munchak, Frazier, and Chudzinski all get walking papers. I'm not sure about Joe Philbin and Dennis Allen, it would seem to depend on the security of their GM. And I see Schiano running back to college.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    I never thought in million years I would ever come to say this, but I think I'm finished wasting good portions of my life rooting the Browns. How do you ask any coach to come into that circus by the lake and give him only a year to fix it? If they are truly firing Chudzinski, then I've lost any amount of respect that I had left for the organization. The NFL should do the city and the rest of the league a favor and blow up the stadium and and retire the franchise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKFlounder View Post
    But Marvin was salt to go 8-8 his first two years, not 4-12 or 2-14. He immediately took the team from absolutely horrible to at least competitive from the start
    Marvin also had a capable quarterback his first year. Did I just defend something about the Browns? Someone smack me.

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    My guess is that the Browns already have O'Brien lined up and that played a big part in why they fired Chud after one season. Just a guess, though.

    I think it is worth mentioning that there was similar reaction to the Browns trading Richardson and that's a move that looks like the Browns correctly knew that it was time to cut bait.

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    The last four coaches fired in the AFC North have been the coach of the Cleveland Browns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I never thought in million years I would ever come to say this, but I think I'm finished wasting good portions of my life rooting the Browns. How do you ask any coach to come into that circus by the lake and give him only a year to fix it? If they are truly firing Chudzinski, then I've lost any amount of respect that I had left for the organization. The NFL should do the city and the rest of the league a favor and blow up the stadium and and retire the franchise.
    They tried that, and then the NFL gave them another team. The proverbial dog returning to its vomit.
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    Jay Glazer says it's official, Chudzinski is out.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat13 View Post
    My guess is that the Browns already have O'Brien lined up and that played a big part in why they fired Chud after one season. Just a guess, though.

    I think it is worth mentioning that there was similar reaction to the Browns trading Richardson and that's a move that looks like the Browns correctly knew that it was time to cut bait.
    I would argue that Richardson was sent to Indy, whose offensive line isn't that good, and the pounding Browns QBs took this season indicates the Browns OL isn't that great either. Anyone else remember when the Bengals had Willie Anderson, Richie Braham, and three turnstiles? That's what the Browns' OL reminds me of. There's only one RB in my lifetime that truly excelled behind bad offensive lines and that was Barry Sanders. But I think he was a once-in-a-lifetime talent, definitely the best RB I've ever seen.

    The day I'll be scared of the Browns is the day they hire a head coach who places emphasis on building the offense from the line out. When they start doing that they'll be a force. Unfortunately for Browns fans, I expect them to draft a QB and RB in the early rounds and continue to treat the line as an afterthought.
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    Re: Black Monday Starts Early

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I never thought in million years I would ever come to say this, but I think I'm finished wasting good portions of my life rooting the Browns. How do you ask any coach to come into that circus by the lake and give him only a year to fix it? If they are truly firing Chudzinski, then I've lost any amount of respect that I had left for the organization. The NFL should do the city and the rest of the league a favor and blow up the stadium and and retire the franchise.
    Or the NFL could do what they did with the Bengals. I seem to recall them putting serious pressure on the Bengals to interview Marvin Lewis. The official reason was to comply with the Rooney rule to interview minority candidates, but I think part of it was to save Mike Brown from himself at a time when he was stuck on the idea of hiring coaches with a Bengals connection. Before interviewing Lewis, I believe Brown was leaning toward hiring Dick Jauron.

    Actually I think a good choice for the Browns might be to stay in house and hire Ray Horton. The Browns' D has been good under his watch and he was a candidate for the Cardinals job when he got passed over for Bruce Arians.
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    Re: Black Monday Starts Early

    Quote Originally Posted by Yachtzee View Post
    Or the NFL could do what they did with the Bengals. I seem to recall them putting serious pressure on the Bengals to interview Marvin Lewis. The official reason was to comply with the Rooney rule to interview minority candidates, but I think part of it was to save Mike Brown from himself at a time when he was stuck on the idea of hiring coaches with a Bengals connection. Before interviewing Lewis, I believe Brown was leaning toward hiring Dick Jauron.

    Actually I think a good choice for the Browns might be to stay in house and hire Ray Horton. The Browns' D has been good under his watch and he was a candidate for the Cardinals job when he got passed over for Bruce Arians.
    I would respectfully disagree about Horton. His defense and their performance has not been worthy of a promotion by any stretch of the word.

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    Re: Black Monday Starts Early

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I do realize you typically give a guy a few years, but if you think he is that bad...cut bait.
    Did they expect this guy, as well his coaching staff, to turn this team around, seeing it's glaring weaknesses on the offensive side? While I had no problem with the trade, they still traded away any resemblance of a RB in Richardson and replaced him with what? They have no QB. And the only one who did give us any hope, though, IMO, wasn't our QB of the future, was Hoyer who had a season-ending injury.

    These are two very important pieces, and yet it wasn't Chud's fault for the most part.

    A year ago CEO Banner was touting Chudzinski as one of the bright young coaches in the NFL and claimed they had their eye on him for quite some time.

    Now they are saying they made a mistake after only one season?? I realize that is a possibility, but it's more an indictment, IMO, of this FO and their lack of oversight and in their decision-making and evaluation skills when it comes to hiring him in the first place. And it sure doesn't give me much confidence in their decision-making going forward looking for a replacement.

    I'm beginning to think there is far more to this. That there was something going on "behind the scenes" between Chud and Banner. And maybe it had a lot to do with the direction they wanted to go in the upcoming draft .... they didn't see eye to eye on a very important draft that is a turning point for this organization.

    IMO, it can't solely be just because this team finished so poorly. In the last 14 years this team has had only two winning seasons. And other than that it has been dreadful. The majority of Brown fans I know, even with the new ownership and coaching staff, felt we'd still be lucky to win 6 games at best because of simply trying to learn a new system. This FO can't be that blind, even with the talent that emerged on the offense, to the HUGE holes they had in crucial positions on offense and that until they were addressed this team had an uphill battle this season.

    You just don't fire a coach you were so high on after his initial season. I think there was some "in-fighting" going on.... and Chud lost! Why else wouldn't you give the coach at least one more year?
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