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    Re: Reds Kicking The Tires To Grady Sizemore

    This is Ron Gant 1995 or Eric Davis 1996. A guy that has missed a year (2 years for Sizemore) gets healthy and signs an incentive laden deal. Mark Mulder's deal is worth up to 6 mil in incentives. I'd do that for Sizemore, because if he reached them, he'd be underpaid. I see Incentive deals worth about 1/3 of performance value on today's market.

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    Re: Reds Kicking The Tires To Grady Sizemore

    Sizing up Grady Sizemore
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    The Cincinnati Reds are rumored to be kicking the tires on Grady Sizemore, who is two seasons removed from his last MLB appearance. Is he worth taking a flyer on, despite his injury history?

    Arguably the best all around centerfielder in the game between 2005 and 2009, Grady Sizemore's more recent seasons have been fraught with injury and missed opportunities. Despite a very limited body of work as of late, there have been rumblings that the Cincinnati Reds are possibly interested in giving Sizemore an opportunity to show his mettle, more than likely with a minor league deal. This potential pairing would provide the team positional depth across the outfield, but particularly in center, where the Reds appear to be committed to having speedster Billy Hamilton as their primary centerfielder for 2014, even with his underdeveloped bat. For Sizemore, it is an opportunity to show that he can still play the game and provide capable production in spite of a handful of lost seasons due to a myriad of injuries.

    With most signs pointing to the 31-year-old having a clean bill of health after sitting out the last two seasons, the question lies in how much Sizemore has left; while he will probably never return to his All-Star, 5+ fWAR form, does he still have enough in the tank to be a productive spot starter/fourth outfielder?

    Let's briefly take a look at some of Sizemore's averages; here, we have his 2005-2009 average productivity (rookie season removed) before injuries began to take their toll, contrasted with the average production of his last two seasons, which were marked by numerous injuries:

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    Re: Reds Kicking The Tires To Grady Sizemore

    Re: "is he worth it"

    Answer: Literally, "what's the harm"?*

    *Assumes an incentive-laden contract with little guaranteed money

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    He's the bionic man at this point, isn't he?

    Count me among the doubters on this one.
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    Re: Reds Kicking The Tires To Grady Sizemore

    Anybody know what kind of personality Sizemore has. Is he a driven man to come back and be great, or was he just one of those gifted guys that put on his uniform and went out and played. That would have a huge bearing on whether I would want to sign him or not. "Is he driven and passionate about trying to come back and be a great player again?"
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    Nah, he'd probably just rather his career be over.
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    Re: Reds Kicking The Tires To Grady Sizemore

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    Anybody know what kind of personality Sizemore has. Is he a driven man to come back and be great, or was he just one of those gifted guys that put on his uniform and went out and played. That would have a huge bearing on whether I would want to sign him or not. "Is he driven and passionate about trying to come back and be a great player again?"
    How can anyone know any of this?
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    Anybody know what kind of personality Sizemore has. Is he a driven man to come back and be great, or was he just one of those gifted guys that put on his uniform and went out and played. That would have a huge bearing on whether I would want to sign him or not. "Is he driven and passionate about trying to come back and be a great player again?"
    I would suspect the individuals in the Indians franchise would know the answer to this much better than random strangers on the internet and we know the Indians are giving up on him.

    If this is a minor league invite with the hope they can catch Ron Gant/Josh Hamilton type lightning in a bottle, I'm fine with it. If this is the plan and they intend to sign him to a two year 3 million dollar contract than I'm starting to have a problem.
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    Re: Reds Kicking The Tires To Grady Sizemore

    Quote Originally Posted by dfs View Post
    I would suspect the individuals in the Indians franchise would know the answer to this much better than random strangers on the internet and we know the Indians are giving up on him.

    If this is a minor league invite with the hope they can catch Ron Gant/Josh Hamilton type lightning in a bottle, I'm fine with it. If this is the plan and they intend to sign him to a two year 3 million dollar contract than I'm starting to have a problem.
    I have no idea what to expect from Sizemore or what shape he is in. But 2 yr 3 MM is peanuts, even to the Reds. If the homework is done on the guy, and he checks out (I assume that is wishful thinking), 3 MM over 2 year would be a calculated risk that I wouldn't lose sleep over.

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    Re: Reds Kicking The Tires To Grady Sizemore

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    How can anyone know any of this?
    Former teammates, managers, coaches, organization, etc. It doesn't seem to be a stretch to find out what someone's work habits are, or were. People do and will talk. Reputation and character are usually things people talk about.

    Dang, Phil, I nominated you for GM. You are supposed to be able to find out these types of things. Use your network.
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    Re: Reds Kicking The Tires To Grady Sizemore

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    Former teammates, managers, coaches, organization, etc. It doesn't seem to be a stretch to find out what someone's work habits are, or were. People do and will talk. Reputation and character are usually things people talk about.

    Dang, Phil, I nominated you for GM. You are supposed to be able to find out these types of things. Use your network.
    I misquoted myself. What I actually wrote was that how would anyone but me know?
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Reds Kicking The Tires To Grady Sizemore

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    Anybody know what kind of personality Sizemore has. Is he a driven man to come back and be great, or was he just one of those gifted guys that put on his uniform and went out and played. That would have a huge bearing on whether I would want to sign him or not. "Is he driven and passionate about trying to come back and be a great player again?"
    Would he be attempting a comeback otherwise?

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    Re: Reds Kicking The Tires To Grady Sizemore

    Quote Originally Posted by dfs View Post
    I would suspect the individuals in the Indians franchise would know the answer to this much better than random strangers on the internet and we know the Indians are giving up on him.

    If this is a minor league invite with the hope they can catch Ron Gant/Josh Hamilton type lightning in a bottle, I'm fine with it. If this is the plan and they intend to sign him to a two year 3 million dollar contract than I'm starting to have a problem.
    agreed! these are the type of players the reds must take a chance on if they won't bring in higher profile free agents. lightning in a bottle like gant and hamilton is worth the risk if the price is right.
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    Re: Reds Kicking The Tires To Grady Sizemore

    I wouldn't kick the tires too hard. That might cause him to be on the 60 day DL. For a minor league contract with some incentives its worth the gamble. I just wouldn't count on him for anything at the MLB level. He hasn't played regularly since 2008. He did play 106 games in 2009 but hardly any since then. Someone out of MLB that long is a real longshot to comeback.
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    Re: Reds Kicking The Tires To Grady Sizemore

    Quote Originally Posted by cumberlandreds View Post
    I wouldn't kick the tires too hard. That might cause him to be on the 60 day DL. For a minor league contract with some incentives its worth the gamble. I just wouldn't count on him for anything at the MLB level. He hasn't played regularly since 2008. He did play 106 games in 2009 but hardly any since then. Someone out of MLB that long is a real longshot to comeback.
    very true. hamilton was out of the game for awhile but kept himself in good shape. it would be interesting to see how sizemore is in that regards.
    there's nothing like bowling a 300 game! 13 now and retired.


    Ricky henderson has a higher OBP than C. patterson and he's retired. C. Trent 6-14-2008


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