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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    The BBWAA needs to removed from the process. Personally I'd like to see a small group of gatekeepers appointed, kind of like a Supreme Court setup. I wouldn't put a lot of ex-players on it. If you don't have a Whizzer White or Bill Bradley type of brain, then no sale.

    The HOF committee could put together a list of nominees each year and then people could come in and argue the case for those nominees. Televise the whole thing.
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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    The BBWAA needs to removed from the process. Personally I'd like to see a small group of gatekeepers appointed, kind of like a Supreme Court setup. I wouldn't put a lot of ex-players on it. If you don't have a Whizzer White or Bill Bradley type of brain, then no sale.

    The HOF committee could put together a list of nominees each year and then people could come in and argue the case for those nominees. Televise the whole thing.

    Great idea. This would be perfect.

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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    Anyone that first vote for Maddux should be mocked and then mocked again.
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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    The BBWAA needs to removed from the process. Personally I'd like to see a small group of gatekeepers appointed, kind of like a Supreme Court setup. I wouldn't put a lot of ex-players on it. If you don't have a Whizzer White or Bill Bradley type of brain, then no sale.

    The HOF committee could put together a list of nominees each year and then people could come in and argue the case for those nominees. Televise the whole thing.
    If you don't want sportswriters and broadcasters involved and you don't want former players involved, who exactly does that leave?

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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    The BBWAA needs to removed from the process. Personally I'd like to see a small group of gatekeepers appointed, kind of like a Supreme Court setup. I wouldn't put a lot of ex-players on it. If you don't have a Whizzer White or Bill Bradley type of brain, then no sale.

    The HOF committee could put together a list of nominees each year and then people could come in and argue the case for those nominees. Televise the whole thing.
    Right. But unfortunately I'm 99% sure that the committee would be comprised primarily of the types of guys who tend to be the most sanctimonious. It would basically be an extended veterans committee, putting a lot of emphasis on how the game has changed for the worse since their heyday and not fixing the basic issues.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    How about we just let Joe Posnanski decide. Does *anybody* dislike that guy?
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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm Chortleton View Post
    If you don't want sportswriters and broadcasters involved and you don't want former players involved, who exactly does that leave?
    I don't want all of them involved, but the cream of the crop would be fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Right. But unfortunately I'm 99% sure that the committee would be comprised primarily of the types of guys who tend to be the most sanctimonious. It would basically be an extended veterans committee, putting a lot of emphasis on how the game has changed for the worse since their heyday and not fixing the basic issues.
    Like I said, I don't want ex-players. What it should be is a group of baseball historians with analytical skills. This isn't a job for the meatheads. Avoid hive mind, overrated, egomaniacs like Bob Feller at all costs (he was awful). The electors should be people with a broad perspective. Players and beat writers generally don't have that.
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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    How about we just let Joe Posnanski decide. Does *anybody* dislike that guy?
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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    Quote Originally Posted by WildcatFan View Post
    At least one writer, Dodgers beat reporter Ken Gurnick, didn't vote for Maddux on his Hall of Fame ballot. Seems bad, right? It gets worse. His ballot has only Jack Morris. Wait til you hear his explanation:



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    Embarrassing.
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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    Anyone that first vote for Maddux should be mocked and then mocked again.
    I mock this post for complete lack of sense.

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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    A great comment I found under that article. RCSanders hit the nail on the head:

    What I dislike about the whole thing is that the writers attempt to use precedent and statistics - as if this were a court of law - only when it serves their argument while the rest of the time they rely on their own fanaticism and holier-than-thou opinions on morality to judge players. Many if not all of these voters started as real journalists where their job was to peddle the facts without bias. The entire structure of the HOF vote seems to have turned these professionals into no more than laymen arguing the merits of their own opinions on morality and nostalgia.

    How to fix?:



    -Make stricter voting standards

    -Remove voters no longer associated with baseball

    -Add an additional body of voters; like players or former players

    if all else fails, blow the whole thing up and start over.

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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    Quote Originally Posted by wheels View Post
    I mock this post for complete lack of sense.
    Excuse me Stewardess - I speak jive.

    Raisor is saying he left his crayons on the train and Maddux stole them.
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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    Quote Originally Posted by Puffy View Post
    Excuse me Stewardess - I speak jive.

    Raisor is saying he left his crayons on the train and Maddux stole them.
    Winner!

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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    "The passengers were very concerned."
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    Re: Greg Maddux won't be voted in unanimously

    Quote Originally Posted by wheels View Post
    I mock this post for complete lack of sense.
    I just read what I wrote.

    Yeah, no clue.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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