Trading Bailey would not be nuts at all, it's one way to go. Obviously if teams offer minimal trade packages, no way. But for a good package, say a mid-level MLB outfielder and a top 40 MLB prospect?
IMO the issue is completely financial. If the Reds really are so strung out for money, then they have to consider getting longer term value in exchange for some of their star players, rather than taking on huge additional commitments.
If they aren't really that tight, then sure, go with Bailey and get a sandwich pick after the season if he doesn't sign reasonably.
Everyone who roots for the Reds would like to keep Homer. But they won't be able to give out huge deals to all their good guys; they need money for a full MLB team. Hopefully a good team.
Last edited by Kc61; 01-07-2014 at 01:59 PM.
EDIT: And I'm not advocating trading Bailey either, necessarily. I just think there's a lot of dependent-pieces and corresponding balls in the air that have made this such a goofy winter with rumors and such.
Last edited by Larkin88; 01-07-2014 at 02:00 PM.
Rounding third and heading for home...
Trade him, fire Walt, and start the rebuilding process....I kid I kid. While there sin't anyone I wouldnt listen to someone on, it would take one helluva deal for me to come off Bailey this offseason. The trade deadline is another story, lets see where we are at at the time!!!
I think Latos is the FO's priority in extending a long term deal to a pitcher...... and he actually wants to be here.
They've already said that they're focusing on Homer first before they even look at the other guys.
Second, can somebody please point me to a quote from Homer where he says that he doesn't want to play in Cincy or that he WANTS to pitch elsewhere or explore FA? The only one I can recall was about 4 years ago now when he had a horrible season pitching at GABP and he complained about the stadium like it was a little league park. If that's what people are basing this all on, that's garbage. That's a player venting after a bad season...and opinions change when results change, he doesn't struggle at home anymore."probably the one guy that's going to be the most difficult [to sign] because of how well he's done and where he's at in this service class. Young pitchers are getting quite a bit."
"At this point, we really haven't discussed anybody but Homer to sign long term. Homer is the only one we've pursued, but we've had internal discussions on the other guys. We just have to see how it all fits in, financially." ~Walt
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99-63 WS champs (Cards take 2nd WC, Mil 3rd, Pit 4th, Chi 5th)
Bruce/Votto neck and neck MVP race (neither takes it)
Bailey CYA winner
Hamilton ROY & GG
At this point, I don't think the Reds would get a package for Bailey that would make it worth while moving him. There are too many available arms and not enough available bats. It is probably worth waiting until closer to the trade deadline and then revisiting things if no long term deal can be worked out. While you lose the extra leverage of the buyer getting to have a draft pick, you gain the leverage of having no free agents out there. If the team is in contention, keep him unless you are bowled over or not really believing the team can compete.
Latos was excluded from that quote as Walt was asked about pending arb cases, to which Latos is not one of.
I don't want to put words in people's mouths, but I think what the other poster was getting at, was that the Latos' have made Cincinnati their year round home, and have talked about being here a long time.
I personally don't think playing in Cincinnati is a problem for Homer. I do believe that his actions indicate someone looking forward to a free agent payday, or at least seeing what the market holds for him. Because for three offseasons running Walt has talked about seeing if they can get Homer signed long term, only to settle for one year deals, or like this year, imply that a one year deal is most likely.
I don't believe it is personal for Homer, just that he views it as business.
Last edited by PepperJack; 01-07-2014 at 07:02 PM.
I will also be curious to see what offers that current free agents Santana and Jimenez receive this year, as they seem to have placed on the backburner in the Tanaka market.
With each tied to draft compensation as Bailey will be, I wonder if they will still get the offers they expected at the beginning of the offseason. Santana was said to seeking $ 100 million, while MLBTR has a link stating that Jimenez is still seeking $ 14 million annually.
Still a little hard to believe Homer's just 27.
Rounding third and heading for home...
Wait until the trade deadline and try to deal him, if no deal is there take the draft pick.
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"Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.