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    Bagwell a user

    Is it more likely Jeff Bagwell used steroids, or more likely he did not?
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    I went with the second option solely because it was the better of the two options. I'm more in the camp of "we really don't know" and somewhere in the "I don't care" arena. I think ultimately the question of PED's is going to be a bit about like asking whether someone took drugs during the 60's or early 70's. Their use was so ubiquitous that it's rare to run into someone who didn't to some degree (I'm married to one such person) and it doesn't necessarily tell you something pertinent, per se. As was discussed in the other thread, MLB is going to have to come to grips with this history and its impact on the game and its records and legacy. The culpability spreads wide and presently its only the players who are being tainted viz a viz their place in history, and at that, it's being done in a vacuum.
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    It's likely that anyone who excelled in that era*did* use PEDs. RedsMetz summed it up pretty well I think. I'll add that if a player was *not* using during that time, I question his will to win. I'll also add that I know my opinion will be immediately taken as gospel b/c I used WTW on this Hawk Harrelson fan board.
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    I think most players of that era at the very least dabbled with steriods. Players that some think definitely did not probably did. It was just part of that era. The previous two posters summed it up quite well.
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    I votes for the first option and still think he is a hall of famer.
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    Where's the third choice "I don't really care one way or the other"?
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    Re: Bagwell a user

    Shouldn't the thread title be phrased as question?
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    I prefer "there is no proof or admission or even a hint of proof, so I am assuming he didn't do it" option. Since it isn't listed, I won't be voting.

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    Re: Bagwell a user

    Bagwell's minor league stats:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=bagwel001jef

    Not proof. Yet, given the era, and the way he looked physically by the time he was in the bigs, it crosses the likelihood threshold for me.
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    Shouldn't the thread title be phrased as question?
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    Re: Bagwell a user

    Someone fix the echo

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    Re: Bagwell a user

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Someone fix the echo
    Echo. Echo. Echo.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
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    Re: Bagwell a user

    Without proof or an admission I am not going to condemn him. It was an era where I think most players used something or other in the PED range. Since baseball basically turned a blind eye I don't see the point of all the crucifying. I might put an asterisk - "played during the PED era" or something but I would not exclude these guys. Bagwell should make the HoF.
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    Re: Bagwell a user

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I prefer "there is no proof or admission or even a hint of proof, so I am assuming he didn't do it" option. Since it isn't listed, I won't be voting.
    I'm with you. I mean what are we even using as a basis for voting? The fact that he outperformed his counting stats in the minors? The fact that he played in an era where steroids were used? Seriously?
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