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    Re: Redszone 2014 MLB Hall of Fame

    The lack of superstar players in the late 1970's and 1980s is fascinating to me. I don't even know how to start the discussion off.

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    Re: Redszone 2014 MLB Hall of Fame

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    Re: Redszone 2014 MLB Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Trammell floundering at 20% continues to mystify me.
    Weird thing about that, he was a much better all-around player than Ozzie Smith, but he didn't have that one, singluar thing that he did exceptionally well like "The Wizard."
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    Re: Redszone 2014 MLB Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    The lack of superstar players in the late 1970's and 1980s is fascinating to me. I don't even know how to start the discussion off.
    Agree. Any theories as to why?
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    Re: Redszone 2014 MLB Hall of Fame

    I'm disappointed that Jack Morris didn't get in.

    I get it that he didn't really deserve to, much like Tony Perez likely didn't deserve to based on his numbers.

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    Re: Redszone 2014 MLB Hall of Fame

    Apparently Dan LeBetard has been revealed as the writer who turned control of his ballot over to Deadspin's readers to allow the public 1 "vote".
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    Re: Redszone 2014 MLB Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    The lack of superstar players in the late 1970's and 1980s is fascinating to me. I don't even know how to start the discussion off.
    Come again?

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    OPS                             DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE     PA     
    1    Mike Schmidt               .196     .917     .721     8893   
    2    George Brett               .172     .894     .722     9276   
    3    Jack Clark                 .142     .864     .721     7320   
    4    Eddie Murray               .139     .866     .727     9125   
    5    Jim Rice                   .132     .855     .723     8983   
    6    Dwight Evans               .130     .853     .722     9334   
    7    Fred Lynn                  .119     .842     .723     7872   
    8    Rickey Henderson           .118     .844     .726     7198   
    9    Dave Winfield              .117     .843     .726     9305   
    10   Reggie Jackson             .110     .833     .723     7029   
    11   Dale Murphy                .109     .827     .718     8329   
    12   Dave Parker                .100     .822     .722     9266   
    13   Keith Hernandez            .099     .820     .721     8512   
    14   Andre Dawson               .097     .818     .721     8480   
    15   Ron Cey                    .090     .810     .720     7029   
    16   Cecil Cooper               .085     .810     .725     7308   
    17   Carlton Fisk               .080     .803     .723     7738   
    18   Brian Downing              .074     .797     .724     8007   
    19   Chet Lemon                 .073     .797     .724     7872   
    20   Ken Griffey Sr.            .067     .791     .724     7600   
    21   Robin Yount                .065     .788     .722    10171   
    22   Jose Cruz                  .064     .786     .722     7536   
    23   Gary Carter                .059     .780     .721     8385   
    24   Steve Garvey               .059     .779     .720     7746   
    25   Don Baylor                 .059     .782     .723     8005
    2500 IP

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    ERA                             DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE   
    1    Dave Stieb                 0.72     3.34     4.05   
    2    Bob Welch                  0.59     3.16     3.75   
    3    Tom Seaver                 0.57     3.19     3.76   
    4    Nolan Ryan                 0.53     3.23     3.76   
    5    Bert Blyleven              0.44     3.48     3.92   
    6    Dennis Eckersley           0.41     3.49     3.90   
    7    Don Sutton                 0.40     3.43     3.83   
    8    Charlie Hough              0.36     3.64     4.00   
    9    Steve Carlton              0.36     3.34     3.69   
    10   Frank Tanana               0.35     3.62     3.97   
    11   Jack Morris                0.33     3.73     4.06   
    12   Tommy John                 0.33     3.66     3.98   
    13   Rick Reuschel              0.32     3.34     3.66   
    14   Joe Niekro                 0.25     3.46     3.71   
    15   Jerry Reuss                0.21     3.50     3.71   
    16   Doyle Alexander            0.13     3.79     3.92   
    17   Mike Flanagan              0.13     3.90     4.02   
    18   Phil Niekro                0.12     3.66     3.78   
    19   Rick Rhoden                0.12     3.60     3.72   
    20   Dennis Martinez            0.07     3.82     3.89   
    21   Bob Knepper                -.02     3.68     3.66   
    22   Bob Forsch                 -.13     3.79     3.66

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    Re: Redszone 2014 MLB Hall of Fame

    Perhaps I should have been clearer. The lack of superstar players who entered MLB between 1976-1989 would have been more accurate.

    As mentioned on MLBN today, no starting pitchers who entered the league after 1971 up until Maddux or Glavine is in the HOF (Clemens is worthy too). Is that not a head scratcher for some of you?

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    Re: Redszone 2014 MLB Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Come again?

    7000 PA's between 1975-1990

    Code:
    OPS                             DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE     PA     
    1    Mike Schmidt               .196     .917     .721     8893   
    2    George Brett               .172     .894     .722     9276   
    3    Jack Clark                 .142     .864     .721     7320   
    4    Eddie Murray               .139     .866     .727     9125   
    5    Jim Rice                   .132     .855     .723     8983   
    6    Dwight Evans               .130     .853     .722     9334   
    7    Fred Lynn                  .119     .842     .723     7872   
    8    Rickey Henderson           .118     .844     .726     7198   
    9    Dave Winfield              .117     .843     .726     9305   
    10   Reggie Jackson             .110     .833     .723     7029   
    11   Dale Murphy                .109     .827     .718     8329   
    12   Dave Parker                .100     .822     .722     9266   
    13   Keith Hernandez            .099     .820     .721     8512   
    14   Andre Dawson               .097     .818     .721     8480   
    15   Ron Cey                    .090     .810     .720     7029   
    16   Cecil Cooper               .085     .810     .725     7308   
    17   Carlton Fisk               .080     .803     .723     7738   
    18   Brian Downing              .074     .797     .724     8007   
    19   Chet Lemon                 .073     .797     .724     7872   
    20   Ken Griffey Sr.            .067     .791     .724     7600   
    21   Robin Yount                .065     .788     .722    10171   
    22   Jose Cruz                  .064     .786     .722     7536   
    23   Gary Carter                .059     .780     .721     8385   
    24   Steve Garvey               .059     .779     .720     7746   
    25   Don Baylor                 .059     .782     .723     8005
    2500 IP

    Code:
    ERA                             DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE   
    1    Dave Stieb                 0.72     3.34     4.05   
    2    Bob Welch                  0.59     3.16     3.75   
    3    Tom Seaver                 0.57     3.19     3.76   
    4    Nolan Ryan                 0.53     3.23     3.76   
    5    Bert Blyleven              0.44     3.48     3.92   
    6    Dennis Eckersley           0.41     3.49     3.90   
    7    Don Sutton                 0.40     3.43     3.83   
    8    Charlie Hough              0.36     3.64     4.00   
    9    Steve Carlton              0.36     3.34     3.69   
    10   Frank Tanana               0.35     3.62     3.97   
    11   Jack Morris                0.33     3.73     4.06   
    12   Tommy John                 0.33     3.66     3.98   
    13   Rick Reuschel              0.32     3.34     3.66   
    14   Joe Niekro                 0.25     3.46     3.71   
    15   Jerry Reuss                0.21     3.50     3.71   
    16   Doyle Alexander            0.13     3.79     3.92   
    17   Mike Flanagan              0.13     3.90     4.02   
    18   Phil Niekro                0.12     3.66     3.78   
    19   Rick Rhoden                0.12     3.60     3.72   
    20   Dennis Martinez            0.07     3.82     3.89   
    21   Bob Knepper                -.02     3.68     3.66   
    22   Bob Forsch                 -.13     3.79     3.66
    Pitching wise, there weren't any who started in that period. Morris is the best of the bunch. He's borderline HOF for me.

    He passes my first test: one of the best at his position for a ten year period. But his overall numbers just aren't HOF caliber. That period was the first with the DH, so that may explain some of it, but it is perplexing that no starting pitcher who began his career in that period was truly elite.
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    Re: Redszone 2014 MLB Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Pitching wise, there weren't any who started in that period. Morris is the best of the bunch. He's borderline HOF for me.

    He passes my first test: one of the best at his position for a ten year period. But his overall numbers just aren't HOF caliber. That period was the first with the DH, so that may explain some of it, but it is perplexing that no starting pitcher who began his career in that period was truly elite.
    Dennis Eckersley and Clemens are in there as starting in that period. It was also the era of increased BP use so many benchmarks from the prior generation were not reached.

    The same thing for pitchers can be found in pitchers that played in the 1930's, not a slew of them as HOF's

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    Re: Redszone 2014 MLB Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    I'm disappointed that Jack Morris didn't get in.

    I get it that he didn't really deserve to, much like Tony Perez likely didn't deserve to based on his numbers.
    Tony got lucky that he was voted in during a time voters were not so stingy. I am glad Tony is in but when it comes to borderline candidates he has to be in the conversation.
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    Re: Redszone 2014 MLB Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Dennis Eckersley and Clemens are in there as starting in that period. It was also the era of increased BP use so many benchmarks from the prior generation were not reached.

    The same thing for pitchers can be found in pitchers that played in the 1930's, not a slew of them as HOF's
    Eck doesn't get in the HOF if he doesn't become a dominant closer. Clemens came in a the tail end, so just make it a nine year period and the point is still valid. Even if you count those two, that's an extremely small amount for a ten year period. What's really strange is that offense was down during those years, unlike the 1930's when runs offense was way up.
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    So is there any chance the thread title can be changed to reflect the actual HOF selections for posterity's sake?
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