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    Re: Rickey Henderson on approach of current leadoff hitters

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    He played on the A's during the Canseco/McGwire era. And he definitely got a lot bigger during that period. Plus, many players have said that there's a player already in the HOF who they know is a steroid user. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out whom they are talking about.
    You're gonna have to do better even begin to suggest a player used.
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    Re: Rickey Henderson on approach of current leadoff hitters

    Canseco has said specifically that he never saw Rickey use and he believed he was clean. And he's named a lot of other names.

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    On the other hand I think most players dabbled with steroids as part of their strength program going back to the 70's. Remember the steelers teams of the 70's were roided out.

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    Re: Rickey Henderson on approach of current leadoff hitters

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    He played on the A's during the Canseco/McGwire era. And he definitely got a lot bigger during that period. Plus, many players have said that there's a player already in the HOF who they know is a steroid user. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out whom they are talking about.
    The Scooter? Rabbit Maranville?

    He came back to the A's in 1989.....and into 1990 and through that season he never looked any bigger and by that time he was already a probable HOF.

    I never saw him look bigger until maybe 1993 when he was with the Jays....and he was never even fingered by Canseco. Might as well accuse Ken Griffey Jr of using since he got pretty big and puffy with the Reds.

    Based on players saying that they know of a HOF player who used.....you deduct it was him?

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    On the other hand I think most players dabbled with steroids as part of their strength program going back to the 70's. Remember the steelers teams of the 70's were roided out.
    Football is a different animal. Up until the late '80s, there was prejudice against strength training in most clubhouses because the conventional wisdom was that "muscle-bound" players were slower and less flexible than lean players, and speed was at a premium in the astroturf era. It was also the belief that bat speed came from the wrists and forearms. If you go back and listen to announcers talk about the power of Eric Davis, they spoke of the strength of his wrists to whip the bat through the zone rather than upper arm strength. The first Red I can recall ever being discussed having a serious weight training regimen was pitcher Jack Armstrong. The drugs of choice in clubhouses in the '70s and '80s were greenies, and to a lesser extent cocaine.
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    Re: Rickey Henderson on approach of current leadoff hitters

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    He played on the A's during the Canseco/McGwire era. And he definitely got a lot bigger during that period. Plus, many players have said that there's a player already in the HOF who they know is a steroid user. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out whom they are talking about.
    That is referencing Jimmy Galvin a pitcher of the late 1800's, who pumped himself up on testosterone at the end of his career.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/baseb...id-user-2013-1

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    Re: Rickey Henderson on approach of current leadoff hitters

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsfaninMT View Post
    That is referencing Jimmy Galvin a pitcher of the late 1800's, who pumped himself up on testosterone at the end of his career.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/baseb...id-user-2013-1
    The quote I was referring to was from current players who claim that the know of one player that they payed with who they know used steroids, who is currently in the HOF.
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    Re: Rickey Henderson on approach of current leadoff hitters

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    The Scooter? Rabbit Maranville?

    He came back to the A's in 1989.....and into 1990 and through that season he never looked any bigger and by that time he was already a probable HOF.

    I never saw him look bigger until maybe 1993 when he was with the Jays....and he was never even fingered by Canseco. Might as well accuse Ken Griffey Jr of using since he got pretty big and puffy with the Reds.

    Based on players saying that they know of a HOF player who used.....you deduct it was him?
    First of all, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Griffey tried PED's of some sort at some time. Second, we know he wasn't a significant user, since he sucked at the end of his career, lol.

    As for Henderson, there's a lot of smoke. He came up as a small speedster, and developed into a big time power hitter, in an era, the '80's, when power was on the decline, maintaining high isolated power numbers and speed deep into his late 30's. And talk about 'roid rage, Rickey's whole career was accentuated by his obnoxious behavior and attitude.

    Clearly we will never know for sure, but if I'm betting, I'm betting Rickey Henderson used steroids.
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    First of all, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Griffey tried PED's of some sort at some time. Second, we know he wasn't a significant user, since he sucked at the end of his career, lol.

    As for Henderson, there's a lot of smoke. He came up as a small speedster, and developed into a big time power hitter, in an era, the '80's, when power was on the decline, maintaining high isolated power numbers and speed deep into his late 30's. And talk about 'roid rage, Rickey's whole career was accentuated by his obnoxious behavior and attitude.

    Clearly we will never know for sure, but if I'm betting, I'm betting Rickey Henderson used steroids.

    Well... I am hoping you are wrong, but sure.....it could be anyone who tried at least once.

    I also know that if I could go from 175 pounds at 25.....to 205, with only 8% body fat by the time I was 30, working out only 3 times per week, 1-2 hours a day and taking nothing but regular vitamins and eating a lot of fish and chicken.... then a guy who has time to burn, can look even better doing twice as much with legal vitamins and supplements...and a professional trainer.

    I mean I barely knew what i was doing but genetics also played a part in how much bigger I got too. Rickey was like almost any ballplayer was back in the late 70's and early 80's. IF they all worked out as much as they do now...they would need need PED's to get bigger and stronger.

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    Re: Rickey Henderson on approach of current leadoff hitters

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsfaninMT View Post
    That is referencing Jimmy Galvin a pitcher of the late 1800's, who pumped himself up on testosterone at the end of his career.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/baseb...id-user-2013-1
    Yep, Bull based, a classic example of "advancement" not being tied to one generation in theory.

    All players want some sort of edge, how far they set the boundaries is another argument.

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    Re: Rickey Henderson on approach of current leadoff hitters

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    He played on the A's during the Canseco/McGwire era. And he definitely got a lot bigger during that period. Plus, many players have said that there's a player already in the HOF who they know is a steroid user. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out whom they are talking about.
    I tread carefully in this game, but if someone put a gun to my head and said pick the guys who were on steroids, I'd go Kirby Puckett before anyone. Dave Winfield was bigger than anyone in the 80s, do we accuse him? It's also strange that nobody suspects Cal Ripken, if they're just going to throw names around.
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    Re: Rickey Henderson on approach of current leadoff hitters

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili View Post
    I tread carefully in this game, but if someone put a gun to my head and said pick the guys who were on steroids, I'd go Kirby Puckett before anyone. Dave Winfield was bigger than anyone in the 80s, do we accuse him? It's also strange that nobody suspects Cal Ripken, if they're just going to throw names around.

    Pete Rose, he totally fits the accuse template

    And let's all admit guys juiced in the 70s too

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    I do get the feeling that most people are under the impression that steroids work the same way that spinach did for Popeye. They think as soon as you pop them you start sprouting muscles.
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    Re: Rickey Henderson on approach of current leadoff hitters

    Quote Originally Posted by CySeymour View Post
    I do get the feeling that most people are under the impression that steroids work the same way that spinach did for Popeye. They think as soon as you pop them you start sprouting muscles.
    I have been taking steroids everyday for over a decade, per doctor's orders. It's wasn't as fast as Popeye, but I did spout muscles, gaining 50 pounds, at age 35, in less than two months, without changing my workout schedule.

    You aren't far off in your description. Steroids increase the body's ability for quick cellular growth, making the people who take them bigger and stronger in a very short amount of time. It's in science books everywhere.
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    Re: Rickey Henderson on approach of current leadoff hitters

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    Pete Rose, he totally fits the accuse template

    And let's all admit guys juiced in the 70s too
    Pete hung out with a bunch of guys involved in steroids at Gold's Gym. So if he wanted to use them, he'd have had easy access. Much more of a smoking gun than some of the other names being thrown around in this thread.
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