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    Redzone Minor League Prospect Ranking #10

    SMB won fairly easily for the #9 slot although Jon Moscot and Ben Lively got quite a bit of support, too.

    Let's round out the top ten now.

    1. Robert Stephenson
    2. Billy Hamilton
    3. Phillip Ervin
    4. Jesse Winker
    5. Yorman Rodriguez
    6. Michael Lorenzen
    7. David Holmberg
    8. Nick Travieso
    9. Seth Mejias-Brean
    10. ??
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    Re: Redzone Minor League Prospect Ranking #10

    Still going with Moscot here. He has some stuff, he has some good numbers (especially if you ignore his first couple of starts with Bakersfield) and he reached AA in 2013.

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    Re: Redzone Minor League Prospect Ranking #10

    Moscot for me as well.

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    Re: Redzone Minor League Prospect Ranking #10

    Seems to me that Rogers and Moscot represent an interesting and very close call. Both are right-handed, semi-power starting pitchers with decent command. Moscot may emphasize finesse a bit more, if reports are accurate. He's also a bigger guy, with a better college pedigree, and two years younger. But in order to keep pace with Rogers, over those two years he would have to dominate AA and advance to AAA. The advancement part seems very likely, since he reached Pensacola late last year, but he'll have a tough time matching Rogers' performance at that level. Anybody would. At this point, I'm inclined to lean toward Rogers simply because he's earned his laurels.

    Contreras and Lively are tougher to compare. Arguments can and will be made for all four of those guys. Lively's 0.88 rookie ERA (and 56 K in 41 IP) certainly gets your attention, but his numbers will take on greater significance once he starts working deeper into games. Contreras, by all accounts, has the stuff.

    In whatever order we ultimately rank these guys, we're almost certain to be wrong. (And FWIW, I'd place all four ahead of Travieso.)

    Edit: I went with Rogers, but, second-guessing, should probably have opted for Barnhart.
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    Re: Redzone Minor League Prospect Ranking #10

    I really like Barnhart but feel his upside is as a quality backup catcher. I'm looking for more upside here although if it was "most likely to make the majors and contribute",
    Barnhart, LaMarre and Rogers would all get higher consideration. The problem with all three is I see more of backup/relief/5th OFer roles for them. That's important but inside the top dozen or so I want guys who project a bit more impact if they get there.
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    Re: Redzone Minor League Prospect Ranking #10

    Since many of the reports that have been posted here about Lively and Moscot are very similar and Moscot is one more year advanced, why are some voting for Lively over Moscot? I am curious.

    I believe both have similar stuff and build and both had good success in rookie ball, but Moscot has continued that success all the way to AA. Lively was great in his 41 IP last year, but only 4 were above rookie ball. If he is a similar pitcher to Moscot, why are some wise Redszone posters taking Lively? Was it Moscot's poor W-L record?

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    Re: Redzone Minor League Prospect Ranking #10

    Quote Originally Posted by Edd Roush View Post
    Since many of the reports that have been posted here about Lively and Moscot are very similar and Moscot is one more year advanced, why are some voting for Lively over Moscot? I am curious.

    I believe both have similar stuff and build and both had good success in rookie ball, but Moscot has continued that success all the way to AA. Lively was great in his 41 IP last year, but only 4 were above rookie ball. If he is a similar pitcher to Moscot, why are some wise Redszone posters taking Lively? Was it Moscot's poor W-L record?
    I posed that question a few votes ago. I don't get it much either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I posed that question a few votes ago. I don't get it much either.
    Here's why I voted for Lively. BTW, I think the two are very, very close so this is a minor distinction.

    Simply, Lively absolutely dominated in his first shot at pro ball.

    Moscot had a remarkable year as well. Lots of innings, held up well despite losing games, good peripherials, advanced to AA.

    Moscot is a year older so I don't think the minor league level tells us too much. Lively could advance as quickly in his age 22 season in 2014. We just don't know.

    I think both should have been in the top ten.

    But Lively's domination could suggest another Cingrani type fast track to the majors. Maybe not, but I couldn't vote for both. So I picked Lively for this reason.
    Last edited by Kc61; 01-13-2014 at 12:02 PM.

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    Re: Redzone Minor League Prospect Ranking #10

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Here's why I voted for Lively. BTW, I think the two are very, very close so this is a minor distinction.

    Simply, Lively absolutely dominated in his first shot at pro ball.

    Moscot had a remarkable year as well. Lots of innings, held up well despite losing games, good peripherials, advanced to AA.

    Moscot is a year older so I don't think the minor league level tells us too much. Lively could advance as quickly in his age 22 season in 2014. We just don't know.

    I think both should have been in the top ten.

    But Lively's domination could suggest another Cingrani type fast track to the majors. Maybe not, but I couldn't vote for both. So I picked Lively for this reason.
    Lively was slightly better than Moscot in their time at Billings. Lively had the stronger K rate, Moscot had the stronger walk rate.

    The whole we don't know what Lively will do in 2014 is kind of the point. We know what Moscot did after dominating rookie ball and it was pretty good.

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    Re: Redzone Minor League Prospect Ranking #10

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Lively was slightly better than Moscot in their time at Billings. Lively had the stronger K rate, Moscot had the stronger walk rate.

    The whole we don't know what Lively will do in 2014 is kind of the point. We know what Moscot did after dominating rookie ball and it was pretty good.
    Really not worth arguing the two are very close.

    Lively's first year at two levels (Billings, Dayton) his K/BB rates were 12.3/2.9.
    Moscot's first year at two levels (Ariz, Billings) his K/BB rates are 8.9/3.6.

    Even just looking at Billings, Lively's K rate was very high.

    I don't think Moscot dominated quite to the extent that Lively did. Lively just blew away the competition in his first year so that's why I give him the vote by a hair.
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    Re: Redzone Minor League Prospect Ranking #10

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I posed that question a few votes ago. I don't get it much either.

    I just think Lively is a better pitcher. To me, he seemed the better pitcher coming out of UCF than Moscot out of Pepperdine. Lively has always had high K/9 rates and has gotten a lot better at limiting walks too.

    Lively's K/9 rates go like this over 5 levels (Fre-Jun in college) and 3 years: 6.5, 9.3, 8.6, 11.9, 15.8, while his BB/9 rates go like this: 5.4, 5.0, 2.4, 2.9, 2.3

    I really like that progression.

    Moscot, meanwhile, has sort of bounced around stat-wise while moving up. He is my next pick though without a doubt.

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    Re: Redzone Minor League Prospect Ranking #10

    Quote Originally Posted by PadsFS View Post
    I just think Lively is a better pitcher. To me, he seemed the better pitcher coming out of UCF than Moscot out of Pepperdine. Lively has always had high K/9 rates and has gotten a lot better at limiting walks too.

    Lively's K/9 rates go like this over 5 levels (Fre-Jun in college) and 3 years: 6.5, 9.3, 8.6, 11.9, 15.8, while his BB/9 rates go like this: 5.4, 5.0, 2.4, 2.9, 2.3

    I really like that progression.

    Moscot, meanwhile, has sort of bounced around stat-wise while moving up. He is my next pick though without a doubt.
    What guys did in college doesn't do much for me. Their level of competition was drastically different from start to start, much less year to year and that is ignoring the different conferences.

    As professionals, they are rather similar.

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    Re: Redzone Minor League Prospect Ranking #10

    Quote Originally Posted by Edd Roush View Post
    Since many of the reports that have been posted here about Lively and Moscot are very similar and Moscot is one more year advanced, why are some voting for Lively over Moscot? I am curious.

    I believe both have similar stuff and build and both had good success in rookie ball, but Moscot has continued that success all the way to AA. Lively was great in his 41 IP last year, but only 4 were above rookie ball. If he is a similar pitcher to Moscot, why are some wise Redszone posters taking Lively? Was it Moscot's poor W-L record?
    Well, for me Moscot was #32 on last years list, what has he done to jump 22 spots? Lively was better at Billings. I was also under the impression Lively throws a little harder, has more of an arsenal and better command, but I could also be wrong there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorn View Post
    Well, for me Moscot was #32 on last years list, what has he done to jump 22 spots? Lively was better at Billings. I was also under the impression Lively throws a little harder, has more of an arsenal and better command, but I could also be wrong there.
    You are.

    Stuff between the two is rather similar.

    As for what he has done to jump that high (I had him at 31 last year, so I am with you), he showed that his stuff held up well over 2-3 inning stretches he had in 2012 with Billings and that his stuff works for both Advanced-A and Double-A as well as that his control works at those levels too.

    Making that jump and holding up is rather big over 2-3 innings stints in Billings where you weren't sure how it would work when he had to go 5-7 innings as a starter for 25+ starts (same questions I am having for a guy like Lively - Though in hindsight, and looking back on my own scouting reports on Moscot, I should have rated him higher last year).

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    Re: Redzone Minor League Prospect Ranking #10

    I picked Moscot based on higher level. I see both as very strong prospects. If I was choosing a guy just on arm it would be Contreras but reports he wants to be a reliever push him back a notch or two. Still great arm but if he is determined in his mind to be a reliever that just isn;t as valuable as starting prospects. The best arm left, imo, is Kivel. Speaking pure arm strength and hard stuff. He's just too far off to project this high. He and Ty Boyle, Armstrong, Mahle, Weiss - all of them should hopefully move much higher after this summer. Right now they are too far off, imo , to put this high. But I sure as heck like what's brewing on the pitching front.
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