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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Same happened to me! I completely agree with your sentiment. I understand it was not an arm issue, but he tried coming back on three occasions and the exact same thing happened every time. I will be negative until proven positive.
    I know what you mean. Pitching is almost as much about the body as it is the arm. Thing is, he we just won't know until he's been through another grind.

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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
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    I am very negative about Cueto's health.
    Garcia faced 234 batters

    Cueto faced 242 batters

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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Garcia faced 234 batters

    Cueto faced 242 batters
    True, but Garcia is a back of the rotation guy. Cueto is the ace.

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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Wainright is better than Cueto by quite a bit
    Latos is better than Miller
    Bailey may be better than Wacha, but I could see Wacha being better this year
    Garcia is better than Leake
    Lynn has a ton more experience than Cingrani, but Cingrani is more talented

    The reason I don't rank the Reds 1st is because a.) Wainwright is a true ace, which is something I feel like the Reds have been lacking, but have made up for in depth and b.) I do not even remotely trust the health of Cueto.

    I am very negative about Cueto's health.
    First, I don't have Cueto as the Reds #1. Latos is.

    Wainwright better than Latos...not by much.
    Cueto better than Miller...closer than I'd like
    Bailey better than Wacha...by a BUNCH
    Leake better than Garcia...he'll most likely struggle some with health
    Cingrani better than Lynn

    To each his own I guess.
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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    First, I don't have Cueto as the Reds #1. Latos is.
    You don't, but the Reds do.

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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    I have the Reds first in pitching but only if they stay healthy. The Reds have added some depth to their staff if someone goes down but not the depth quality of Saint Loo. The Pirates being ranked ahead of Cincy is...well I don't understand that reasoning at all. All three are good enough to win, though. The separation may be in the offensive production of the teams.
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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    if the reds staff is healthy it's the best in the central. i think though the cardinals aren't far behind. it will be interesting to see how the young kids pitch this year for them.
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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    Cueto has had a recurring injury. Cingrani missed substantial time with back issues. Latos finished the season with surgery and couldn't pitch in the playoff game.

    It's impossible to rank these starting staffs until we see how all this works out.

    Hopefully they will be all good as new.

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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    Assuming that everyone is healthy here is my rankings:

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    Wainwright better than Latos
    Bailey better than Miller
    Cueto better than Wacha
    Garcia better than Leake
    Lynn better than Cingrani (but not by much, and Cingrani will progress)
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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Cueto has had a recurring injury. Cingrani missed substantial time with back issues. Latos finished the season with surgery and couldn't pitch in the playoff game.

    It's impossible to rank these starting staffs until we see how all this works out.

    Hopefully they will be all good as new.
    I agree.

    One thing is that the injuries to Latos and Cingrani weren't deemed to be overly serious. I wonder how Cueto and Cingrani are doing as of now. You'd think one of the beat writers would ask someone how they're progressing. It's kind of important.

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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    I think the Reds and Cardinals rotations are close enough that the difference may be that the teams face each other for over 11% of the schedule. The Reds staff will have to face the deep and talented line-up of the Cardinals while the Cards will simply need to pitch around Votto and Bruce and then have their way with the 7 auto outs in the Reds line-up. I think that gives the edge to the Cardinals when the season ends.

    The rest of the division is behind with the Pirates 3rd and the other two teams far off the pace.
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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo!
    Garcia is better than Leake
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    Disagree. Garcia probably isn't going to even pitch. Leake is healthy and coming off a good yea. Garcia's health knocks him out of the discussion.
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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Disagree. Garcia probably isn't going to even pitch. Leake is healthy and coming off a good yea. Garcia's health knocks him out of the discussion.
    I'm not ready to dismiss Garcia based on health. He had shoulder issues in 2012, tried to play through (as well as had a good chunk of time on the DL) them till he was pulled off the Cards roster in the post season. Then he bounced around doctors till he found one that told him what he wanted to hear.... he didn't need surgery and he could rehab it. Now that he's had the surgery there's a chance he could bounce back

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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    Quote Originally Posted by SporkLover View Post
    I'm not ready to dismiss Garcia based on health. He had shoulder issues in 2012, tried to play through (as well as had a good chunk of time on the DL) them till he was pulled off the Cards roster in the post season. Then he bounced around doctors till he found one that told him what he wanted to hear.... he didn't need surgery and he could rehab it. Now that he's had the surgery there's a chance he could bounce back

    Let's list the pitchers who have come back from shoulder injuries.

    I can't think of one significant guy myself

    Your turn

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    Re: Where do you rank the Reds pitching staff in the NL Central?

    Quote Originally Posted by SporkLover View Post
    I'm not ready to dismiss Garcia based on health. He had shoulder issues in 2012, tried to play through (as well as had a good chunk of time on the DL) them till he was pulled off the Cards roster in the post season. Then he bounced around doctors till he found one that told him what he wanted to hear.... he didn't need surgery and he could rehab it. Now that he's had the surgery there's a chance he could bounce back
    Garcia's problems are from the neck up. Not much you can do to fix that.
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