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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Bailey frustrates me in that there is good Homer and gad Homer. When he is on there isn't a better pitcher in baseball. When he is off your looking at a 5 IP 6ER type of game. If he would limit those bad starts to 4ER then all of a sudden you have an ACE.
    4 times last year he gave up 5 ER or more.

    And yes, last year, he was an ACE.
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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    It is because all he does as a hitter is hit for power.
    He doesn't hit for average and isn't good at getting on base.
    Exactly. The only reason to expect anything else is because a few scouts predicted Bruce was bound for glory six years ago.

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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    Baseball is a game of failures. Hard not to get frustrated with most players at one time or another. It's part of the game.

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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    fixed that for ya
    We all know that he was one of the undeserving Silver Slugger Award winners last year.


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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    I was floored Cozart was not on the list, he was my number one frustration last year. It was compounded by Duhsty's batting order, often putting him second.
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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    We all know that he was one of the undeserving Silver Slugger Award winners last year.

    wrc+ is not just power, correct? which is what I was referring to. Thanks for the redundant graph, though.

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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    We all know that he was one of the undeserving Silver Slugger Award winners last year.
    You'd rather Jay Bruce be more like Babe Ruth. Sounds fair.
    Small market fan... always hoping, but never expecting.

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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    Quote Originally Posted by Superdude View Post
    Seems like in the minors he was always hinting at a variety of offensive skills, and the question was whether or not he could bring them all together at once.
    Well put. Putting them all together would be fantastic. But I'd settle for any one of the three.
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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    Quote Originally Posted by Superdude View Post
    I like how Baseball American decided everything Jay Bruce will ever do needs to be perceived as a relative failure. Poor guy could've saved himself a lot of grief by sandbagging a bit.
    I like "monster numbers" I also like them to be defined before someone makes them a benchmark.

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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    Currently on the roster: Mesoraco.
    In the recent past: Drew Stubbs.

    EDIT: Aroldis Chapman for his reluctance to being a starting pitcher.
    Last edited by texasdave; 01-16-2014 at 04:12 PM.
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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Weird article to say the least.
    I've come to the realization that a majority of Yahoo staff writers really are Yahoos!
    "panic" only comes from having real expectations

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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    He didn't exceed my expectations in any way. He doesn't K a lot of guys, puts a lot of runners on and was fortunate to have excellent defense behind him.

    In 2014 I expect 30 starts a 1.25ish WHIP and something like 5.75 K/9. I won't predict his ERA because frankly, I don't think you really can with him. 2011 was a better season for him by every measurement except ERA. It's flukish.
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    Ok, but doesn't that mean that Leake didn't frustrate you?
    He got his 1.25 WHIP last year. He's a great #5 starter. Unless you are frustrated with the Reds for keeping him on the team, I don't see why anyone would be frustrated with Leake.
    Seems like he met your expectations at least, based on the metrics you provided.

    Me, I'm happy with his run prevention last year.
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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Ok, but doesn't that mean that Leake didn't frustrate you?
    He got his 1.25 WHIP last year. He's a great #5 starter. Unless you are frustrated with the Reds for keeping him on the team, I don't see why anyone would be frustrated with Leake.
    Seems like he met your expectations at least, based on the metrics you provided.

    Me, I'm happy with his run prevention last year.
    I find using FIP as a standard for frustration odd anyway. Leake had an incredibly productive season that exceeded my wildest expectations. Just because FIP says it may not continue doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    guys who fail to make a hit 70% of the time are considered great hitters

    => of course there is a lot of failure


    bruce is "frustrating" because he is so streaky... a month he is the best there is and a month later he´s playing like donald lutz ( ) but if you look at his season he´s been great! if we had multiple guys like votto or bruce...

    bruce got better year after year and is for his money one of the best you can get...


    leake played better than most of us expected, hard to be frustrated when you´re #5 produces the way he did


    frazier had a rough time offensively and I was a little bit frustrated because he had multiple really bad at bats and swings... on the other side he was great defensively (better than expected) I can understand the frustration but I thought he overperformed in his rookie season => I expected a decline..

    homer is a great pitcher who sometimes struggles, but the numbers he produces are good and he helps the team win games! he hit 2 no hitters and was an ace a year ago... he was not bad at all last season => not frustrated at all (but some people like to overestimate the players we have, the last few weeks they did the opposite which should be good when the season starts and the reds win lots of games )

    heisey is a bench player, not bad for a benchplayer but in no way a starting lf for a contender => of course some get frustrated when they believe heisey will hit .300 and 30hr, but that´s not heisey´s mistake..

    a little bit surprised that votto (lots of fans are frustrated and if you read articles on the official homepage it is really bad) and phillips (fan favourit by a lot but had bad 1.5 years) were not on the list

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    Re: Five Most Frustrating Players on the Team

    Junkhead, please explain how wRC is calculated?


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