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    Re: Crazy high Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by NebraskaRed View Post
    What numbers are you using to figure that Fuld is at least equal to Heisey defensively? And offensively, it's not even close.

    As far as LaMarre and Rodriguez, are you saying that you'd rather let one of them be the team's fourth outfielder just to avoid paying Heisey 1.7 mil? LaMarre has played all of 3 games in Louisville.
    I was referring to the "defense alone" being worth 1.7 mil comment. I was just guessing on Fuld from remembering him as a defense first OF and noticed he was an unsigned FA. I am not saying I want the Reds to sign Fuld. Fuld has a career 9.1 uzr/150, Heisey has a 9.0 uzr/150. They are comparable on "defense alone."

    As for LaMarre, I have read he is excellent defensively. If we are just talking defense, I am sure he can adequately replace Heisey. On offense, probably not.

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    Re: Crazy high Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock of Truth View Post
    Say what you want about Large Market vs. Small Market. TV and Radio Contracts. But $1.7 million for one year for Chris Heisey??? That is outrageous.
    I don't think we live in 1980 anymore. That's about right in today's game.
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    Re: Crazy high Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    The As settling with Luke Gregerson for more than $5 Million is crazy high.

    I would argue, the Reds paying Chris Heisey any money, is too much.
    Heisey will account for 1.5% of the Reds payroll. That isn't crazy high, and probably isn't bad for a 4th or 5th OF.

    What I find troubling about the current Reds is their lack of cheap, MLB ready depth around the diamond. When they had trouble in the OF last season with injuries they were forced to use the likes of Robinson, Paul, and Lutz. They don't have any guys who are ready to step in, provide league average play, and do it for cheap.

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    Re: Crazy high Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Heisey will account for 1.5% of the Reds payroll. That isn't crazy high, and probably isn't bad for a 4th or 5th OF.

    What I find troubling about the current Reds is their lack of cheap, MLB ready depth around the diamond. When they had trouble in the OF last season with injuries they were forced to use the likes of Robinson, Paul, and Lutz. They don't have any guys who are ready to step in, provide league average play, and do it for cheap.
    I didn't say that was crazy high. I just don't like Chris Heisey as a ball player. If he was a free agent, I would be dead set against the Reds signing him, at any price.
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: Crazy high Salary

    Code:
    NATIONAL LEAGUE
    SEASON
    2013
    OF
    AVERAGE vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    OBA vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    SLG vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    AGE displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    AT BATS BETWEEN 200 AND 300
    
    RUNS CREATED/GAME              RC/G      AVG      OBA      SLG      AGE      AB     
    1    Carlos Quentin             6.40     .018     .040     .092       30      276   Padres
    2    Charlie Blackmon           6.24     .051     .013     .067       26      246   Rockies
    3    Ryan Braun                 5.97     .040     .049     .097       29      225   Brewers
    4    Christian Yelich           5.83     .030     .047    -.005       21      240   Marlins
    5    Angel Pagan                5.19     .024     .012     .014       31      280   Giants
    6    Junior Lake                5.06     .026     .009     .027       23      236   Cubs
    7    David DeJesus              4.79    -.010     .004    -.003       33      287   Cubs/Nationals
    8    Xavier Paul                4.58    -.014     .016     .001       28      209   Reds
    9    Jordan Schafer             4.35    -.011     .008    -.054       26      231   Braves
    10   Matt Kemp                  4.33     .012     .005    -.005       28      263   Dodgers
    11   Kyle Blanks                4.11    -.015    -.018    -.022       26      280   Padres
    T12  Marcell Ozuna              3.99     .008    -.019    -.012       22      275   Marlins
    T12  Delmon Young               3.99     .003    -.020    -.004       27      272   Phillies
    14   Adam Eaton                 3.97    -.006    -.009    -.041       24      250   Diamondbacks
    15   Chris Heisey               3.88    -.021    -.044     .015       28      224   Reds
    16   Andres Torres              3.31    -.008    -.021    -.059       35      272   Giants
    17   Travis Snider              3.10    -.043    -.042    -.067       25      261   Pirates
    18   Logan Schafer              3.00    -.046    -.044    -.079       26      298   Brewers
    19   Jason Kubel                2.88    -.038    -.034    -.077       31      241   Diamondbacks
    20   Roger Bernadina            2.39    -.077    -.073    -.106       29      227   Nationals/Phillies

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    Re: Crazy high Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by Superdude View Post
    Last I checked, the concept of advertising isn't exclusively tied to baseball. If Toyota wants to spend a million dollars marketing in Cincinnati, they're gonna do it regardless of whether Chris Heisey is making $1.7 million dollars.
    Of course advertising is not exclusively tied to baseball, but you cannot ignore the fact that the increased salaries in baseball are being driven by an exploding revenue stream. The money that makes up that revenue stream is not appearing out of thin air. The owners are not making less money than they used to. The big corporations that are spending billions on advertising are not making less money than they used to either. And even local and state governments can't operate in the red for long. So where is this money coming from? You tell me.

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    Re: Crazy high Salary

    lol @ the premise of this thread. Although...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Sam Fuld

    Ryan LaMarre

    Yorman Rodriguez

    Other minor leagues who stink at hitting but stick around because of their defense.
    I do agree with this. Ideally you want to have a good enough farm system so you can replace these marginal guys once they start making a couple milli. Especially if you are as strapped for cash as the Reds claim to be.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Crazy high Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by puca View Post
    Of course advertising is not exclusively tied to baseball, but you cannot ignore the fact that the increased salaries in baseball are being driven by an exploding revenue stream. The money that makes up that revenue stream is not appearing out of thin air. The owners are not making less money than they used to. The big corporations that are spending billions on advertising are not making less money than they used to either. And even local and state governments can't operate in the red for long. So where is this money coming from? You tell me.
    I'm not arguing the point about taxpayers subsidizing stadiums, but explain how a case against corporate advertising in baseball isn't really just a case against corporate advertising as a concept in general? If Castellini says he doesn't want a Geico sign on the right field wall for the sake of the common man, the Gecko will plaster his face somewhere else.

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    Re: Crazy high Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Code:
    NATIONAL LEAGUE
    SEASON
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    AVERAGE vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    OBA vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    SLG vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    AGE displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    AT BATS BETWEEN 200 AND 300
    
    RUNS CREATED/GAME              RC/G      AVG      OBA      SLG      AGE      AB     
    1    Carlos Quentin             6.40     .018     .040     .092       30      276   Padres
    2    Charlie Blackmon           6.24     .051     .013     .067       26      246   Rockies
    3    Ryan Braun                 5.97     .040     .049     .097       29      225   Brewers
    4    Christian Yelich           5.83     .030     .047    -.005       21      240   Marlins
    5    Angel Pagan                5.19     .024     .012     .014       31      280   Giants
    6    Junior Lake                5.06     .026     .009     .027       23      236   Cubs
    7    David DeJesus              4.79    -.010     .004    -.003       33      287   Cubs/Nationals
    8    Xavier Paul                4.58    -.014     .016     .001       28      209   Reds
    9    Jordan Schafer             4.35    -.011     .008    -.054       26      231   Braves
    10   Matt Kemp                  4.33     .012     .005    -.005       28      263   Dodgers
    11   Kyle Blanks                4.11    -.015    -.018    -.022       26      280   Padres
    T12  Marcell Ozuna              3.99     .008    -.019    -.012       22      275   Marlins
    T12  Delmon Young               3.99     .003    -.020    -.004       27      272   Phillies
    14   Adam Eaton                 3.97    -.006    -.009    -.041       24      250   Diamondbacks
    15   Chris Heisey               3.88    -.021    -.044     .015       28      224   Reds
    16   Andres Torres              3.31    -.008    -.021    -.059       35      272   Giants
    17   Travis Snider              3.10    -.043    -.042    -.067       25      261   Pirates
    18   Logan Schafer              3.00    -.046    -.044    -.079       26      298   Brewers
    19   Jason Kubel                2.88    -.038    -.034    -.077       31      241   Diamondbacks
    20   Roger Bernadina            2.39    -.077    -.073    -.106       29      227   Nationals/Phillies
    I know that certain metrics like him. I just dont like his hacktastic tendencies, his bone headed base running, and his instincts in the outfield.
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: Crazy high Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by puca View Post
    Public taxes pay for the stadiums and offset the sweetheart deals given to these teams/owners. Entertainment taxes are added into hotel bills. TV/Radio deals are paid for by advertisers. Advertisers pass that cost onto their consumers. The worst part is that it is not just the baseball fans that pay for the players salaries.

    Ticket prices are just a very small drop in the bucket.
    And all of that happens regardless of what they pay Chris Heisey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puca View Post
    As far as advertising money - do you think the companies paying that advertising are draining their coffers? I'm pretty sure they are passing their advertising costs onto the consumers of their products.
    That's not really the way advertising works. You spend $1 on advertising because you believe it will increase sales by $3. Advertising is an investment that should yield a positive return, not a cost that needs to be passed on to someone.
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    Re: Crazy high Salary

    The problem isn't what they pay Chris Heisey. The problem is the salary inequality between professional athletes and the general public.

    50 years ago, baseball players made nice salaries but they were still, for the most part, middle class. Now they are all in the top ranks of earners, even the bottom guys on a team. Heisey is being overpaid as compared to a teacher or a police officer. As to a baseball player he is not.
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    Re: Crazy high Salary

    Leake avoids arbitration, agrees to 1 year, $5.925MM. For a #5 starter. No wonder we can't afford player upgrades.

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    Re: Crazy high Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking View Post
    The problem isn't what they pay Chris Heisey. The problem is the salary inequality between professional athletes and the general public.

    50 years ago, baseball players made nice salaries but they were still, for the most part, middle class. Now they are all in the top ranks of earners, even the bottom guys on a team. Heisey is being overpaid as compared to a teacher or a police officer. As to a baseball player he is not.
    Chris Heisey can do something I can only dream of doing. Good for him to get what he can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    No it isn't. I'd rather the players get it than the owners just pocket it.
    Why? If it goes to the owner, he's likely to spend at least a portion of it on the payroll/stadium/other stuff that benefits the fans. Chris Heisey getting richer has zero chance of benefiting me. I want my team to spend their payroll as efficiently as possible, and so should you.


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