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    Re: Redsox Signs Grady Sizemore

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    What 8-9 teams?

    Here are the NL (non pitchers) OPS's from the past 4 season

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    YEAR  AVG  SLG  OBA  OPS    
    2010 .262 .413 .332 .745    
    2011 .259 .403 .326 .730  
    2012 .261 .414 .327 .740    
    2013 .258 .401 .323 .723   
    TOT  .260 .408 .327 .735
    LA, Washington, St. Louis, Arizona, San Francisco, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Philly and the Reds off the top of my head. With Milwaukee adding Garza, I might add them to the list. Not sure any team of that group has as many below average or questionable position players as the Reds do.
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    Re: Redsox Signs Grady Sizemore

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    LA, Washington, St. Louis, Arizona, San Francisco, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Philly and the Reds off the top of my head. With Milwaukee adding Garza, I might add them to the list. Not sure any team of that group has as many below average or questionable position players as the Reds do.
    We'll see, but the other teams don't look like offensive world beaters

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    NATIONAL LEAGUE
    SEASON
    2013
    OBA vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    SLG vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    RUNS vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    
    OPS                             DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE     OBA      SLG       R     
    1    Rockies                    .018     .741     .723     .000     .018       34   
    2    Cardinals                  .010     .733     .723     .009     .001      110   
    3    Braves                     .000     .723     .723    -.002     .001       16   
    4    Dodgers                   -.001     .722     .723     .003    -.004      -21   
    5    Reds                      -.005     .718     .723     .004    -.010       12   
    6    Diamondbacks              -.009     .715     .723     .000    -.009      -13   
    7    Nationals                 -.013     .710     .723    -.010    -.003      -14   
    8    Pirates                   -.014     .709     .723    -.010    -.005      -47   
    9    Brewers                   -.015     .708     .723    -.012    -.003      -38   
    10   Giants                    -.022     .702     .723    -.003    -.019      -49   
    11   Cubs                      -.031     .693     .723    -.022    -.009      -83   
    12   Phillies                  -.033     .690     .723    -.016    -.017      -65   
    13   Padres                    -.038     .686     .723    -.015    -.023      -63   
    14   Mets                      -.052     .672     .723    -.017    -.035      -74   
    15   Marlins                   -.096     .627     .723    -.030    -.066     -175

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    Re: Redsox Signs Grady Sizemore

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    We'll see, but the other teams don't look like offensive world beaters

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    NATIONAL LEAGUE
    SEASON
    2013
    OBA vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    SLG vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    RUNS vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    
    OPS                             DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE     OBA      SLG       R     
    1    Rockies                    .018     .741     .723     .000     .018       34   
    2    Cardinals                  .010     .733     .723     .009     .001      110   
    3    Braves                     .000     .723     .723    -.002     .001       16   
    4    Dodgers                   -.001     .722     .723     .003    -.004      -21   
    5    Reds                      -.005     .718     .723     .004    -.010       12   
    6    Diamondbacks              -.009     .715     .723     .000    -.009      -13   
    7    Nationals                 -.013     .710     .723    -.010    -.003      -14   
    8    Pirates                   -.014     .709     .723    -.010    -.005      -47   
    9    Brewers                   -.015     .708     .723    -.012    -.003      -38   
    10   Giants                    -.022     .702     .723    -.003    -.019      -49   
    11   Cubs                      -.031     .693     .723    -.022    -.009      -83   
    12   Phillies                  -.033     .690     .723    -.016    -.017      -65   
    13   Padres                    -.038     .686     .723    -.015    -.023      -63   
    14   Mets                      -.052     .672     .723    -.017    -.035      -74   
    15   Marlins                   -.096     .627     .723    -.030    -.066     -175
    Nice list, but the point is that if 2013 is the starting point, the Reds have spent the winter going backwards. The other teams have added to what they started with. I'd say that the Braves are probably the only other contender who has gone backwards. The Phillies have a lot of questions because they are old and injury prone, but they did add a high OPS performer from 2013 to the OF. Washington is also looking at bouncebacks from health issues, but they are from players on the upswing or in their prime and less iffy than a 33 Y/O 2B or a 35 Y/O LF bouncing back to former levels. The Brewers are looking for returns from Braun and Ramirez to fuel their position group and are filtering in a high performing prospect in Davis. The Pirates are iffy, but Polanco may join the OF to improve them, but I think they are a year away from improving. The Diamondbacks added Trumbo to add power with Goldschmidt (and added to the pen as well). The Cardinals and Dodgers are powerhouses.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

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    Re: Redsox Signs Grady Sizemore

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Nice list, but the point is that if 2013 is the starting point, the Reds have spent the winter going backwards. The other teams have added to what they started with. I'd say that the Braves are probably the only other contender who has gone backwards. The Phillies have a lot of questions because they are old and injury prone, but they did add a high OPS performer from 2013 to the OF. Washington is also looking at bouncebacks from health issues, but they are from players on the upswing or in their prime and less iffy than a 33 Y/O 2B or a 35 Y/O LF bouncing back to former levels. The Brewers are looking for returns from Braun and Ramirez to fuel their position group and are filtering in a high performing prospect in Davis. The Pirates are iffy, but Polanco may join the OF to improve them, but I think they are a year away from improving. The Diamondbacks added Trumbo to add power with Goldschmidt (and added to the pen as well). The Cardinals and Dodgers are powerhouses.
    Brewers?

    Ramirez is 36 hardly a youngster and the rest of the crew looks weak

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    OPS                             DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE     OBA      SLG     RC/G    
    1    Carlos Gomez               .120     .843     .723     .015     .105     1.73   
    2    Aramis Ramirez             .107     .831     .723     .048     .060     1.63   
    3    Jonathan Lucroy            .071     .795     .723     .017     .054     0.92   
    4    Jean Segura                .029     .752     .723     .006     .023     0.27   
    5    Norichika Aoki             .003     .726     .723     .033    -.030     0.30   
    6    Rickie Weeks              -.061     .663     .723    -.017    -.044    -1.07   
    7    Logan Schafer             -.122     .601     .723    -.044    -.079    -1.48   
    8    Yuniesky Betancourt       -.128     .595     .723    -.083    -.045    -1.86
    Pirates? Meh... Polanco is 37 and coming off 3 straight sub .700 OPS seasons


    DBacks maybe a swing up, but seriously Trumbo has a lifetime OB% of .299, that's a LOT of outs.

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    Re: Redsox Signs Grady Sizemore

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Brewers?

    Ramirez is 36 hardly a youngster and the rest of the crew looks weak

    300 PA
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    OPS                             DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE     OBA      SLG     RC/G    
    1    Carlos Gomez               .120     .843     .723     .015     .105     1.73   
    2    Aramis Ramirez             .107     .831     .723     .048     .060     1.63   
    3    Jonathan Lucroy            .071     .795     .723     .017     .054     0.92   
    4    Jean Segura                .029     .752     .723     .006     .023     0.27   
    5    Norichika Aoki             .003     .726     .723     .033    -.030     0.30   
    6    Rickie Weeks              -.061     .663     .723    -.017    -.044    -1.07   
    7    Logan Schafer             -.122     .601     .723    -.044    -.079    -1.48   
    8    Yuniesky Betancourt       -.128     .595     .723    -.083    -.045    -1.86
    Pirates? Meh... Polanco is 37 and coming off 3 straight sub .700 OPS seasons


    DBacks maybe a swing up, but seriously Trumbo has a lifetime OB% of .299, that's a LOT of outs.
    Aoki and Betancourt are gone and Weeks and Schafer will ride the pine. Kris Davis was a high performing youngster getting a job (as opposed to a AAA bust). Ryan Braun will fill one of those spots. They have a kid at 2B and a questionable situation at 1B which they are addressing with a platoon. I count two major questions as opposed to 6 in Cincy.

    Not Placido Polanco. I was referring to this guy who has torn it up this winter, but I think it's a year too soon for him actually.http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=polanc001gre
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    Re: Reds Reportedy will NOT Sign Grady Sizemore

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    That's great. You're happy with playoff appearances and quick exits.

    I see a team that went all in last year, failed, and have done NOTHING to fix the issues that the team had last year, and in Choo's case, has gotten worse.
    Just curious...do you think that signing Choo for a 1 year deal was us going "all in"? Especially when all along they were saying that Choo was a 1 year stop gap for Hamilton. Sure, they'd "try" to extend him...but it seemed pretty clear that they were fine if it was one and done.

    Adding one player on a one year contract doesn't really scream "all in" to me.
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    Re: Redsox Signs Grady Sizemore

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    They made the play-offs last year with nothing from catcher but were significantly better in CF. I think the entire line-up is going to need to improve to make up for the loss of Choo. If you cite 2012, then you are relying on Ludwick and Frazier to OPS .825+. Pipedream IMO.
    Personally, I think Ludwick & Frazier will improve over last year...will they play to 2012 levels? Who knows. But while we did lose Choo, I think we'll see improvement over MANY players up and down the roster. Pitching included. And those improvements over last year will makeup for the loss of Choo. It's not just about replacing 1 player for 1 player, it's a team game and I think we'll see an overall TEAM improvement...even if that means a worsening of 1 position.
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    Re: Redsox Signs Grady Sizemore

    I've always been a Sizemore fan. It was sad seeing him struggle with injury these last few years, but I really wish the Reds had taken a flyer on this guy this year. Especially seeing what the Sox signed him for. Not much of a risk ... 1 yr/$750.000 (with incentives) ....but the reward could be far greater.

    Sizemore passing all tests, could win starting job .... http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/...&vkey=news_mlb

    Hope we didn't miss out on something here. Again - it wouldn't have been much of a risk from a financial standpoint.
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    Re: Redsox Signs Grady Sizemore

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    I've always been a Sizemore fan. It was sad seeing him struggle with injury these last few years, but I really wish the Reds had taken a flyer on this guy this year. Especially seeing what the Sox signed him for. Not much of a risk ... 1 yr/$750.000 (with incentives) ....but the reward could be far greater.

    Sizemore passing all tests, could win starting job .... http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/...&vkey=news_mlb

    Hope we didn't miss out on something here. Again - it wouldn't have been much of a risk from a financial standpoint.
    I would say for what the Reds were looking for it would not have been a great fit. The starting duties are Hamilton's and I do not think you want a guy who has 3 years of rust sitting on the bench majority of time being called up to pinch hit in big situations. Bernadina or Skip should be more reliable in those roles.

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    Re: Redsox Signs Grady Sizemore

    Hell, it was worth a shot, but the undertaking has turned out to be a complete failure.

    It’s time to say goodbye to Grady Sizemore. In 49 games this season with the Red Sox, the former All-Star has managed to hit only .218 with a pair of home runs and 14 runs batted in. Sizemore was 0-for-3 in Monday’s 4-0 loss to the Baltimore Orioles, and has only one extra-base hit in his last 12 games. If there’s anything to be said about Sizemore’s offense after two years out of baseball, it’s that Jackie Bradley, Jr. (.580 OPS) makes him look like a powerhouse.

    Shane Victorino’s return from the disabled list should coincide nicely with the Red Sox’ cutting bait on Sizemore, who could indeed accept a stint with Triple-A Pawtucket, but that is probably not likely. Even if Victorino’s hamstring isn’t ready to go, Boston is on the hook for some imminent performance bonuses worked into Sizemore’s contract, factors that will ultimately determine his fate this month.
    http://www.boston.com/sports/columni..._sizemore.html
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    Re: Redsox Signs Grady Sizemore

    Shucks. Always liked the guy and hoped his comeback would work out better.
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    Re: Redsox Signs Grady Sizemore

    Just a thought. Retreads rarely work out. The Reds need to obtain someone not over the hill who can hit. Sizemore was not the solution.
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    Re: Red Sox Signs Grady Sizemore

    And now the Red Sox have DFA'd Sizemore.

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    Re: Red Sox Signs Grady Sizemore

    Still better than Bernadina lol
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    Re: Red Sox Signs Grady Sizemore

    I'm still bitter he spurned the Reds, even with the fact that it worked out very well for us. Go pound sand, Sizemore.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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