Turn Off Ads?
Page 9 of 17 FirstFirst ... 5678910111213 ... LastLast
Results 121 to 135 of 251

Thread: Bronson Arroyo signed with Arizona Diamondbacks.

  1. #121
    Viva la Rolen kaldaniels's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    7,806

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Latos, Bailey and Chapman all had ERA higher than their FIP. The defense definitely helped the Reds pitching staff, but some pitchers have been able to take advantage of it better than others.

    But I agree that Arroyo won't do as well in front of a mediocre defense.
    No disagreement there.

    Tony Cingrani 1.3 fWAR 2.2 bWAR last year.

    Arroyo 0.8 and 2.5 respectively.

    It's time to move on. Especially now that Arroyo's cost is a known entity.

    Bronson certainly is a unique bird.

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #122
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Calgary, Alberta, aka, the most prosperous city in the world.
    Posts
    10,530

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    Anyone doubt now that offering Arroyo arbitration would have resulted in him accepting a 1-year, $14M contract?

  4. #123
    Stat geek...and proud
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    New Paris, OH
    Posts
    2,487

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Anyone doubt now that offering Arroyo arbitration would have resulted in him accepting a 1-year, $14M contract?
    I wouldn't have had a problem with that actually. It's the added years that I wouldn't be too keen on.
    numbersinthereds.blogspot.com I actually made a post on 7/4/14. I promise.

  5. #124
    The Big Dog mth123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    14,697

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Latos, Bailey and Chapman all had ERA higher than their FIP. The defense definitely helped the Reds pitching staff, but some pitchers have been able to take advantage of it better than others.

    But I agree that Arroyo won't do as well in front of a mediocre defense.
    Good news for Arroyo is Arizona is better defensively at all positions except 2B and 3B (and maybe LF now that Trumbo is there). The bad news is how the dry air impacts breaking balls. I think Bronson is going to struggle in AZ, not because of defense or how the ball flies, but because he's not a power guy and I think that dry air will impact his command on the junk that he throws.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

  6. Likes:

    757690 (02-08-2014), wlf WV (02-09-2014)

  7. #125
    Member Norm Chortleton's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    1,313

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Good news for Arroyo is Arizona is better defensively at all positions except 2B and 3B (and maybe LF now that Trumbo is there). The bad news is how the dry air impacts breaking balls. I think Bronson is going to struggle in AZ, not because of defense or how the ball flies, but because he's not a power guy and I think that dry air will impact his command on the junk that he throws.
    I know, small sample and all, but he is 4-1 with a 3.20 ERA in 6 career starts there. One of his better road parks.

  8. #126
    The Big Dog mth123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    14,697

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm Chortleton View Post
    I know, small sample and all, but he is 4-1 with a 3.20 ERA in 6 career starts there. One of his better road parks.
    Good. I hope I'm wrong. I like Arroyo and always have. He didn't fit on the Reds and it was time to move on, but I hope he does well. If he does, the D-Backs will be even more of a team to contend with. They look pretty darned good to me.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

  9. Likes:

    wlf WV (02-09-2014)

  10. #127
    Big Red Machine RedsBaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2000
    Location
    Out Wayne
    Posts
    22,759

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Good. I hope I'm wrong. I like Arroyo and always have. He didn't fit on the Reds and it was time to move on, but I hope he does well. If he does, the D-Backs will be even more of a team to contend with. They look pretty darned good to me.
    I agree. I wish Bronson well. He is easily a future member of the Reds Hall of Fame.
    "Hey...Dad. Wanna Have A Catch?" Kevin Costner in "Field Of Dreams."

  11. Likes:

    757690 (02-08-2014), Big Klu (02-08-2014), Roy Tucker (02-09-2014), wlf WV (02-09-2014)

  12. #128
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    814

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    2004~2013


  13. #129
    "So Fla Red"
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    South Florida - The Real Humidor
    Posts
    5,059

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    Bronson landed about where I thought at 2 yrs/18-20. Nice getting some change for the third year option. Arroyo was a great asset to the Reds through some lean years and then the good years. The qualifying offer would have been taken and the Reds couldn't afford that risk. His gem vs. the Giants in Game 2 showed how nails he was when the pressure was on. Shame he didn't get more postseason starts as a Red.

    Chase Field is a hitters park, but he'll be loving all those starts in the California ballparks.

    The offseason of nothingness for the Reds just got a little more empty. Pray for good health for the starting five.

  14. #130
    Playoffs Cyclone792's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, OH
    Posts
    6,267

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    Best of luck to Arroyo in Arizona (except against the Reds, of course). He was as durable as they come and logged a ton of innings each season for the Reds, all at an above average clip. It was likely time to part ways with him rather than committing a pile of cash, but I'll still miss him.

    He'll be deserving of a plaque on Joe Nuxhall Way once he hangs'em up for good.
    Barry Larkin - HOF, 2012

    Put an end to the Lost Decade.

  15. Likes:

    Big Klu (02-09-2014), CySeymour (02-08-2014), Red Raindog (02-09-2014), redsmetz (02-08-2014), Revering4Blue (02-08-2014), Rockermann (02-08-2014), Roy Tucker (02-09-2014), Stingray (02-09-2014), wlf WV (02-09-2014)

  16. #131
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Amarillo,Texas
    Posts
    4,327

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    Quote Originally Posted by oregonred View Post
    Bronson landed about where I thought at 2 yrs/18-20. Nice getting some change for the third year option. .
    It'll be closer to 2-24 if the Diamondbacks want to buy out the option. The buyout is 4.5 million.

  17. #132
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Posts
    13,180

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    It'll be closer to 2-24 if the Diamondbacks want to buy out the option. The buyout is 4.5 million.
    Yeah, I misunderstood the original reports.

    Apparently it's $19 million for two years of salary and $4.3 million buyout.

    So for two years of pitching Arroyo gets $23.5 million. That's a bit under $12 million per year all included.

    Seems fair, but still would not justify a qualifying offer by the Reds. Reds clearly made the correct decision.

  18. #133
    Member tomnuetten's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Freiburg (Germany)
    Posts
    1,008

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    I always liked him. He is a smart guy (judging from interviews and others talk about him) and found a niche to be succesful in the mlb without having that great pitches.

    If the front office would know about bailey´s future a little more (for example if they would have known that he won´t sign a lt extension), I would have made him a qualified offer.

    if he accepts it, you overpay him for one year and can trade bailey. if not you´ll get something for him...

  19. #134
    Five Tool Fool jojo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    18,546

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    To supplement the post a couple back.

    Bronson Arroyo career xFIP 4.39.

    Bronson Arroyo career ERA 4.19.

    I have no problem granting you that.
    The difference is mostly due to the defense behind him. Claiming WAR doesn't work for Bronson gives credit to the wrong place.
    "This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

  20. #135
    Viva la Rolen kaldaniels's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    7,806

    Re: Bronson Arroyo says he hasn't received a single offer

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    The difference is mostly due to the defense behind him. Claiming WAR doesn't work for Bronson gives credit to the wrong place.
    I don't know if you are talking to me or just adding onto my post. But in case my tone was missed, I have to admit I put that up rather facetiously. The difference between the 2 stats mentioned was so small it doesn't bother me. Most Reds starters of recent times have had ERAs that are better than predicted by FIP/xFIP...except Homer, which might be interesting to dive into one day.

    Now I did say due to Bronson not being your normal pitcher, I can understand some wiggle room on his WAR, but not to a significant extent.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25