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    Quote Originally Posted by indyscott View Post
    LOL
    Exactly - just as laughable as your demand for links to Kingspoints claims.

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    Re: Super Bowl - Seahawks Broncos

    Quote Originally Posted by indyscott View Post
    And look at all the SBs he racked up with Randy Moss. Who is better than any WR Manning ever had.

    And would you like to talk bout the defensive side of the football during that time? List the players there? As i said earlier, in his first SB winning year he led the Pats to TWO offensive TDs in the postseason. Not two TD passes. 2 TOTAL TDs.
    Brady had Moss for two years and his team had one of the greatest seasons in NFL history in one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Man, that Manning kool-aid must taste delicious.

    You honestly look at a 2nd year WR with 641 yards and 8 TDs with Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow at QB as a nobody? Come on man, step back for a minute and realize the guy has talent wherever he goes. It looks like Decker is going to sign elsewhere as a FA, so we will see how he performs. Maybe he will sign with the Patriots.
    The Manning negativity has been pretty rampant here, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by indyscott View Post
    Fine. Do you want to address any of the rest of the post?
    How about these playoff numbers:

    Manning has led his team to 1 winning drive in the playoffs

    Brady has led his team to 6 winning drives in the playoffs

    Playoff record:

    Brady: 18-8
    Manning: 9-12

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Man, that Manning kool-aid must taste delicious.

    You honestly look at a 2nd year WR with 641 yards and 8 TDs with Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow at QB as a nobody? Come on man, step back for a minute and realize the guy has talent wherever he goes. It looks like Decker is going to sign elsewhere as a FA, so we will see how he performs. Maybe he will sign with the Patriots.
    Like when Stokely left the Colts? or Marcus Pollard? Who was an all pro TE for the Colts.

    Its not "Kool Aid" its just i recognize arguably the greatest QB to ever play. If you want to try and downplay his achievements have at it.

    You watched so much of Decker you thought Tebow threw 8 TDs to him. But now he was spectacular because he caught 50 passes in his first 2 years in Denver.

    You have yet to answer me though.Do you think Brady has gotten so much worse in his career? He was 10-0 in his first 10 post season games but 8-8 since. Why do you think that is happening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    How about these playoff numbers:

    Manning has led his team to 1 winning drive in the playoffs

    Brady has led his team to 6 winning drives in the playoffs

    Playoff record:

    Brady: 18-8
    Manning: 9-12
    LOL. Game winning drives? LMAO. You really want to use GW drives?

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    The NFC was a more dominant conference top to bottom.

    There was no Defense in the AFC, where AFC teams only played NFC teams three times out of 16 games exposing themselves to very little quality Defenses on the season.

    Carolina and San Francisco also would have whipped the Broncos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indyscott View Post
    Do you have any links to these claims?
    Demaryius Thomas probably has the best size/speed combo of any WR other than Calvin Johnson. Julius Thomas is easily in the top 5 for most athletic TEs. Decker was a great college receiver and had solid numbers with Orton as QB. These guys are better because of Manning, but this is an elite receiving corps regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillsdale87 View Post
    Brady had Moss for two years and his team had one of the greatest seasons in NFL history in one of them.
    But never won a SB. Which I am seeing here is the ultimate grade for a QB.

    Its funny. If Manning took the Colts to 16-0 with the greatest offense ever, and laid an egg in the SB scoring 14 points they would kill him in the media and social media. NOW Brady does it and its some accomplishment.
    Last edited by indyscott; 02-03-2014 at 02:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillsdale87 View Post
    Demaryius Thomas probably has the best size/speed combo of any WR other than Calvin Johnson. Julius Thomas is easily in the top 5 for most athletic TEs. Decker was a great college receiver and had solid numbers with Orton as QB. These guys are better because of Manning, but this is an elite receiving corps regardless.
    I guess we will see when he leaves

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    Quote Originally Posted by indyscott View Post
    Like when Stokely left the Colts? or Marcus Pollard? Who was an all pro TE for the Colts.

    Its not "Kool Aid" its just i recognize arguably the greatest QB to ever play. If you want to try and downplay his achievements have at it.

    You watched so much of Decker you thought Tebow threw 8 TDs to him. But now he was spectacular because he caught 50 passes in his first 2 years in Denver.

    You have yet to answer me though.Do you think Brady has gotten so much worse in his career? He was 10-0 in his first 10 post season games but 8-8 since. Why do you think that is happening?
    You are aware Stokely only had 1 good season out of 4 in Indy, right?

    How did Reggie Wayne have 1,355 receiving yards with a rookie Andrew Luck throwing to him in 2012? I was told he was only good because of Peyton Manning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    You are aware Stokely only had 1 good season out of 4 in Indy, right?

    How did Reggie Wayne have 1,355 receiving yards with a rookie Andrew Luck throwing to him in 2012? I was told he was only good because of Peyton Manning.
    I am not sure who told you Wayne wasnt good. they are wrong. And Luck isnt real bad himself in case you havent noticed.

    You realize Stokeley was a 4th option with the Colts? And his 2 best TD seasons out of the 15 in the NFL were with Peyton being his QB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillsdale87 View Post
    Demaryius Thomas probably has the best size/speed combo of any WR other than Calvin Johnson.
    Again for indyscott, those who paid attention to the Broncos before Manning got there, know of Demaryius' development.

    He was considered a reach by Denver because his fundamentals were so raw, but was taken by Elway in the middle of the 1st round, who recognized what Hillsdale87 said in the above quote.

    In Demaryius' second season, John Fox' Offense had him moving around from X to Y to Z, not settling in until mid-December on the right outside. Orton, who never had the ability to target a second option, had very little opportunity to even target Demaryius, as he never knew where he was at week-to-week. Demaryius was also learning to block as a Receiver, limiting his on-the-field snaps. Demaryius was also working on improving his hands, as he had stone hands his first year and three-fourths.

    Then, when Tebow began to play Quarterback, there were very few targets available. Tebow struggled to throw the ball within 10 yards of his intended target most of the time, so any Receiver struggled to catch anything thrown his way.

    Finally, in December, Tebow figured out that his best option at throwing the ball was to target Thomas, who received over 50% of Tebow's targets the last month of the season. 50% of Tebow's targets still translated into very few "catchable" balls, but Demaryius' uber-talent managed to corral enough in to average over 115 yards over a three-game stretch in December once he was settled into one position.

    The growth of Demaryius was obvious to all watching. He had grown into his first round draft status by the end of his second season.

    Decker's talent was even more obvious, as he was able to succeed in the slot where Tebow was getting him killed with errant throws.

    None of this takes away from Peyton, but you're obsessed with his abilities, seeming to believe that Receivers he throws to are great because he throws to them. That's simply not the case with Denver's Receivers of Julius Thomas, Eric Decker and Demaryius Thomas. While Peyton's volume of throws and ability to hit Receivers like Decker and Julius Thomas in stride, Peyton's lack of arm-strength the last two seasons could not take advantage of Demaryius' strength of speed. Demaryius averaged over 17 yards per reception with Tebow throwing him the ball, but that dipped into the 14's both seasons Peyton threw him the ball, as Peyton knows that he is going to be most successful throwing short passes to these Receivers. Demaryius and Decker were among the league leaders in Yards-after-Catch both this season and last season. Some of that is Peyton leading them with a pass while also looking off the Defender, and some of that is the uber-talents of Decker and Demaryius.

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    Re: Super Bowl - Seahawks Broncos

    Quote Originally Posted by indyscott View Post
    But never won a SB. Which I am seeing here is the ultimate grade for a QB.

    Its funny. If Manning took the Colts to 16-0 with the greatest offense ever, and laid an egg in the SB scoring 14 points they would kill him in the media and social media. NOW Brady does it and its some accomplishment.
    Brady lost to a hot Quarterback, a hot team and an excellent Head Coach in Tom Coughlin. That year the Giants won in Green Bay with a healthy Aaron Rodgers...a rare accomplishment by any team. In addition, losing 17-14 by a fluke catch from a TE who never did anything else his whole career, wasn't exactly the kind of performance that Peyton and the Broncos displayed yesterday.

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    Re: Super Bowl - Seahawks Broncos

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...on-percentage/

    Manning was 3rd last year in pass completion % 10-19 yards and 4th in pass completion % over 20 yards.

    My guess is that the drop in yards/catch is mostly due to him actually catching more balls. Most players that are at the top of the league in that category are deep threats who dont catch as many balls.


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