"I have just been more than a little suspect of all the trades since the Willy (Scott Williamson) cash grab. That one left such a bad taste in my mouth that even a 1985 Dom Pérignon couldn't cleanse it." -- Creek14
Its not "Kool Aid" its just i recognize arguably the greatest QB to ever play. If you want to try and downplay his achievements have at it.
You watched so much of Decker you thought Tebow threw 8 TDs to him. But now he was spectacular because he caught 50 passes in his first 2 years in Denver.
You have yet to answer me though.Do you think Brady has gotten so much worse in his career? He was 10-0 in his first 10 post season games but 8-8 since. Why do you think that is happening?
The NFC was a more dominant conference top to bottom.
There was no Defense in the AFC, where AFC teams only played NFC teams three times out of 16 games exposing themselves to very little quality Defenses on the season.
Carolina and San Francisco also would have whipped the Broncos.
Its funny. If Manning took the Colts to 16-0 with the greatest offense ever, and laid an egg in the SB scoring 14 points they would kill him in the media and social media. NOW Brady does it and its some accomplishment.
Last edited by indyscott; 02-03-2014 at 01:21 PM.
He was considered a reach by Denver because his fundamentals were so raw, but was taken by Elway in the middle of the 1st round, who recognized what Hillsdale87 said in the above quote.
In Demaryius' second season, John Fox' Offense had him moving around from X to Y to Z, not settling in until mid-December on the right outside. Orton, who never had the ability to target a second option, had very little opportunity to even target Demaryius, as he never knew where he was at week-to-week. Demaryius was also learning to block as a Receiver, limiting his on-the-field snaps. Demaryius was also working on improving his hands, as he had stone hands his first year and three-fourths.
Then, when Tebow began to play Quarterback, there were very few targets available. Tebow struggled to throw the ball within 10 yards of his intended target most of the time, so any Receiver struggled to catch anything thrown his way.
Finally, in December, Tebow figured out that his best option at throwing the ball was to target Thomas, who received over 50% of Tebow's targets the last month of the season. 50% of Tebow's targets still translated into very few "catchable" balls, but Demaryius' uber-talent managed to corral enough in to average over 115 yards over a three-game stretch in December once he was settled into one position.
The growth of Demaryius was obvious to all watching. He had grown into his first round draft status by the end of his second season.
Decker's talent was even more obvious, as he was able to succeed in the slot where Tebow was getting him killed with errant throws.
None of this takes away from Peyton, but you're obsessed with his abilities, seeming to believe that Receivers he throws to are great because he throws to them. That's simply not the case with Denver's Receivers of Julius Thomas, Eric Decker and Demaryius Thomas. While Peyton's volume of throws and ability to hit Receivers like Decker and Julius Thomas in stride, Peyton's lack of arm-strength the last two seasons could not take advantage of Demaryius' strength of speed. Demaryius averaged over 17 yards per reception with Tebow throwing him the ball, but that dipped into the 14's both seasons Peyton threw him the ball, as Peyton knows that he is going to be most successful throwing short passes to these Receivers. Demaryius and Decker were among the league leaders in Yards-after-Catch both this season and last season. Some of that is Peyton leading them with a pass while also looking off the Defender, and some of that is the uber-talents of Decker and Demaryius.
Manning was 3rd last year in pass completion % 10-19 yards and 4th in pass completion % over 20 yards.
My guess is that the drop in yards/catch is mostly due to him actually catching more balls. Most players that are at the top of the league in that category are deep threats who dont catch as many balls.