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    Re: Anthony Castrovince: Top 10 Rotations & Top 10 Lineups

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    It's because this rosezone, where objectivity dies
    Don't be a Richard, this is a Reds community if it sucks for you so bad I suggest you find somewhere else to grace the unwashed with your vast knowledge of the game.

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    Re: Anthony Castrovince: Top 10 Rotations & Top 10 Lineups

    I would love to take both a fan and player poll to see how many of them think jay Bruce is elite. You'd all be upset

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    Re: Anthony Castrovince: Top 10 Rotations & Top 10 Lineups

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Don't be a Richard, this is a Reds community if it sucks for you so bad I suggest you find somewhere else to grace the unwashed with your vast knowledge of the game.
    Well put

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    Re: Anthony Castrovince: Top 10 Rotations & Top 10 Lineups

    Quote Originally Posted by Salukifan2 View Post
    I would love to take both a fan and player poll to see how many of them think jay Bruce is elite. You'd all be upset
    No one said he was an overall elite player. This started when I said junkhead was disregarding his elite defense. You then moved the goal posts into all Reds fans believing Jay Bruce to be an elite player.

    An outside organization (Wilson) chose Jay Bruce as the best defender on the Reds last year. In other words he was chosen as the most elite defender on the Reds by an outsider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    No one said he was an overall elite player. This started when I said junkhead was disregarding his elite defense. You then moved the goal posts into all Reds fans believing Jay Bruce to be an elite player.

    An outside organization (Wilson) chose Jay Bruce as the best defender on the Reds last year. In other words he was chosen as the most elite defender on the Reds by an outsider.
    I was only talking about his defense until other posters started bringing up his XBH totals.

    So now he is an elite reds OF? Make up your mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salukifan2 View Post
    I was only talking about his defense until other posters started bringing up his XBH totals.

    So now he is an elite reds OF? Make up your mind
    I brought up his XBH when junkhead said Jay Bruce was elite at nothing. I pointed out he is top 5 in MLB in XBH and is an elite defensive OF.

    Elite reds OF? I don't know what you are referring to with that. I was saying he was labeled as the best defender on the Reds in 2013 by outsiders, pointed out he was a gold glove finalist in RF, and was 2nd in UZR and had 18 DRS. That should answer your objection to him being an elite defender, but I am sure it will not as it is just a rosezoner being subjective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I brought up his XBH when junkhead said Jay Bruce was elite at nothing. I pointed out he is top 5 in MLB in XBH and is an elite defensive OF.

    Elite reds OF? I don't know what you are referring to with that. I was saying he was labeled as the best defender on the Reds in 2013 by outsiders, pointed out he was a gold glove finalist in RF, and was 2nd in UZR and had 18 DRS. That should answer your objection to him being an elite defender, but I am sure it will not as it is just a rosezoner being subjective.
    You were contending he was an elite MLB OF defender. Now you're only saying he is an elite Reds OF. I agree with that completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salukifan2 View Post
    You were contending he was an elite MLB OF defender. Now you're only saying he is an elite Reds OF. I agree with that completely.
    Incorrect - I was using that fact as evidence along with the other points I made to show he is an elite MLB defender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Incorrect - I was using that fact as evidence along with the other points I made to show he is an elite MLB defender.
    What do you make of 2011 and 2012?

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    Re: Anthony Castrovince: Top 10 Rotations & Top 10 Lineups

    Quote Originally Posted by Salukifan2 View Post
    What do you make of 2011 and 2012?
    What do you make of 2010 when he had 17 DRS and 19.6 UZR?

    I think the last couple years have been a learning experience for a young player but to me the 2013 version is what we can expect moving forward.

    Average batting average
    Average OBP
    Excellent power
    Excellent defense

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    Perhaps we agree to disagree. When I think of elite RF I think of ichiro and Clemente. (Granted Clemente is a different era)

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    Re: Anthony Castrovince: Top 10 Rotations & Top 10 Lineups

    Quote Originally Posted by Salukifan2 View Post
    Perhaps we agree to disagree. When I think of elite RF I think of ichiro and Clemente. (Granted Clemente is a different era)
    elite RF or elite defensive RF?

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    Re: Anthony Castrovince: Top 10 Rotations & Top 10 Lineups

    Pardon me, defensive.

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    Re: Anthony Castrovince: Top 10 Rotations & Top 10 Lineups

    Quote Originally Posted by Salukifan2 View Post
    Pardon me, defensive.
    Interesting. Ichiro has only had 1 season (2004) with more DRS than Bruce's 2010 and 2013 totals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Interesting. Ichiro has only had 1 season (2004) with more DRS than Bruce's 2010 and 2013 totals.
    That's fine. Ichiro patrolled a huge outfield had an absolute cannon.

    Redteamgo do you believe that Bruce is superior defensively to Ichiro in his prime?
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