When will we come out of hibernation and fill up the stands day in and day out at GABP?
Just another thing St. Louis is better than us at. Frustrating.
When will we come out of hibernation and fill up the stands day in and day out at GABP?
Just another thing St. Louis is better than us at. Frustrating.
Good for St. Louis.
I think there are a lot of factors that go into something like that: sustained winning, retention of season ticket holders, metropolitan area, geography, fan-base, general interest, etc. Of course it would be nice to see constant sellout crowds packed into GABP, but that's just not a current reality. I expect to see attendance figures up overall, as they have been consistently over the last few seasons, but it'll take some time before we can even get close to St. Louis's steady attendance figures.
I'd imagine that a World Series, or at the very least a Pennant, would go a long way in making that a reality.
I would be be willing to wager heavily that if since 2000 we had been in 8 of 14 NLCS's, 4 WS and 2 WS victories we would be over 3 million in attendance. Not even the Big Red Machine era enjoyed quite that kind of perennial success and last season we hit BRM attendance numbers.Originally Posted by PeteRoseDay
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
Bob Sheed (03-03-2014),mattfeet (03-01-2014),RedsAndCatsFan (03-01-2014),Redsfansince72 (02-28-2014),Revering4Blue (03-03-2014)
Where is this number coming from?
westofyou (02-28-2014)
Do you have a source?
if the Cardinals did what the Reds did: tease everybody, NOT win a world series since 1990 and like this off season sat on their hands again, they wouldnt have 3 million fans!! WINNING a World Series Championship and having a team goal to better the team in the off season and at the trade deadline when needed to get to the next step, thats what i want the Reds ownership to be like so the Reds stop being the Cardinals little sister that never gets the prize..
Winning is all well and good, but even the Cubs have better attendance figures and they suck:
2013 Attendance
Cubs: 2.6M
Reds: 2.5M
Source: http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance/_/year/2013
People don't go to Cubs games for the baseball. Just sayin...
Rounding third and heading for home...
Chip R (03-02-2014),Mike Honcho (03-04-2014),yadontSabo (03-01-2014)
If the Cubs played in a metro area the size of Cincy and not Chicago I doubt they would pull the kind of numbers they do.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
Chip R (03-02-2014),Revering4Blue (03-03-2014)
I still think the difference lies in a weeknight game when school's in session. The Cardinals are able to sell 38,000+ tix to those types of games, whereas the Reds sell around 20,000. From my experience of being in STL for business at least once or twice a year during home baseball games, I see way more kids out at the game on school nights. Sure, a lot of people will leave around the seventh inning, but that still equals tix sold. I'm not a parent so I don't understand, but does anyone care to comment on why STL parents are ok with bringing their kids to the game on a weekday, vs. Cincy parents?
The only thing I can think of is that they are a better team with far more success over the past 15 or so years...
Excellent observation. That is the biggest difference and it can easily be explained by the fact that St. Louis has a much bigger metro area to draw from, while Cincinnati has a bigger expanded areas to draw from.
Both teams have a similar fan base in size, but a large part of the Cincinnari fan base comes from Kentucky, Dayton, Indianapolis, Columbus and all the small towns around it. Most Cardinal fans live within 20-30 minutes do the stadium.
That means, during the week, the Cards have more fans that can see a game and still be home in time to go to bed at a reasonable hour to get up for work/school the next morning. Reds fans from Dayton, Hamilton, etc, can't do that.
Hence, the Cards get more fans for night games during the week.
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MattyHo4Life (03-01-2014),Revering4Blue (03-03-2014)
St. Louis metro has about 800,000 more people and 35% more dense. Couple that with the winningest franchise in the NL since 2000 and you have a perfect recipe for top tier attendance.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
There was a study on the ORG not long ago that showed Cincy for its density and size was 2nd in baseball in attendance. Similarly to KC, more compatible "type" and size to compare, Cincy's fans are widespread and have trouble just driving in to the park on weekdays. KC is the same but CIncy far, far outdraws KC.
99% of all numbers only tell 33% of the story so when looking at the numbers remember that numbers is plural...
Excuses.
Because of KMOX Cardinals fans spread from Arkansas to Tennessee to areas of the deep south.
The Cardinals have one of the biggest fan bases in all of baseball. STL is a metro population of about 2.8M people. Cincy's metro population is 2.1M. Not a huge difference.
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