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    Re: Northwestern football players win right to unionize

    This feels pretty major. Since the court ruled that the students are employees, doesn't that undermine a lot of the "student athlete" rules and sanctions the NCAA throws around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The DARK View Post
    This feels pretty major. Since the court ruled that the students are employees, doesn't that undermine a lot of the "student athlete" rules and sanctions the NCAA throws around?
    It's a win, but it's a long way from being decided -- a lot of moving parts (all of which will be appealed to higher courts) are required to line up before this anything more than an academic curiosity.
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    Re: Northwestern football players win right to unionize

    For sure, but even if it gets overturned in the end, this ruling reignites that debate in a very big way, I would imagine.

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    Re: Northwestern football players win right to unionize

    The biggest impact of this decision is the number of law review articles that will now be written about this issue next year. Similar to Casey Martin when that case was decided.

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    Re: Northwestern football players win right to unionize

    I don't quite understand how this would work. First of all in order to join a union you had dues taken out of your check, right? So in essence if the school doesn't consider them an employee they are going to have to pay the union dues themselves. If someone else covers those dues wouldn't that be accepting money? Wouldn't that mean your eligibility could be in question?

    Also lets say the Northwestern players want to strike out for certain benefits. What is stopping NW from pulling their scholarship?

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    Re: Northwestern football players win right to unionize

    I don't think this ruling in any way forces Northwestern to pay the union dues for its student athletes

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    Since they're now classified "employees," won't they now have to pay taxes on benefits received? Even if they receive some salary, it would take a pretty large amount just for them to break even with the IRS, especially at a place like Northwestern.
    When all is said and done more is said than done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    Since they're now classified "employees," won't they now have to pay taxes on benefits received? Even if they receive some salary, it would take a pretty large amount just for them to break even with the IRS, especially at a place like Northwestern.
    If it comes to that, expect Congress to pass a law that exempts them from income taxes

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    Re: Northwestern football players win right to unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    If it comes to that, expect Congress to pass a law that exempts them from income taxes
    Then every TA and research assistant and so on who receives scholarship money in return for services rendered is going to have a huge gripe.
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    Re: Northwestern football players win right to unionize

    Fundamentally this ruling means that they don't even have to be students. Northwestern or any other school could just buy a football team and pay them and not give them a scholarship or require they attend the university.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    Then every TA and research assistant and so on who receives scholarship money in return for services rendered is going to have a huge gripe.
    Yes, it's going to get complicated

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    Re: Northwestern football players win right to unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    Then every TA and research assistant and so on who receives scholarship money in return for services rendered is going to have a huge gripe.
    I'm pretty that one was ruled on already. It was decided that teaching was part of their education and therefore not employment. One does not need to be a cornerback in order to receive a Bachelor's Degree.


    Also, it would certainly not be in a union's interest to represent a group of people who are not paying dues, as that would mean other locals are footing the bill for their representation. However, in my work place for example (and I'm not saying I understand this, but I'm not in the bargaining unit), there are dues paying "members" and free riding employees, not obligated to pay union dues. This, per the agreement between management and the local.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRed27 View Post
    Fundamentally this ruling means that they don't even have to be students. Northwestern or any other school could just buy a football team and pay them and not give them a scholarship or require they attend the university.
    I offer our own James Brooks as a perfect example. The guy never even learned to read.
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    Re: Northwestern football players win right to unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by SunDeck View Post
    I'm pretty that one was ruled on already. It was decided that teaching was part of their education and therefore not employment. One does not need to be a cornerback in order to receive a Bachelor's Degree.
    Payment for services. Generally, you cannot exclude from your gross income the part of any scholarship or fellowship that represents payment for teaching, research, or other services required as a condition for receiving the scholarship. This applies even if all candidates for a degree must perform the services to receive the degree. (See exceptions next.)

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