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    Re: Northwestern football players win right to unionize

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    Understood, but I would guess that the people of Nebraska would gladly pay a tiny tax to continue subsidizing Nebraska football because they find it to be valuable to them, the same way they do with libraries, parks, and rec centers. Everything has a value.
    I assume you are talking state level tax. I doubt everyone in the state of Nebraska feels that way. And what about states that have a large number of Division 1 colleges. Do you impose a bunch of 'tiny' taxes to support all of the schools? At what point does tiny become not so tiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puca View Post
    I assume you are talking state level tax. I doubt everyone in the state of Nebraska feels that way. And what about states that have a large number of Division 1 colleges. Do you impose a bunch of 'tiny' taxes to support all of the schools? At what point does tiny become not so tiny.
    I will never get to that point. I was simply demonstrating how much some of these programs mean to their states. Besides, if I want to win people over to my side of this argument, I don't think proposing new taxes is the way to go.
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    I love that the Northwestern kid came up with the idea of unionizing from a class he was taking called, "Contemporary Issues in the Modern Workplace". As he was sitting in the class, he realized that this stuff applied to him and college football in general. He also talks about being steered away from more difficult classes and classes that conflicted with practice. It would have been funny if his advisor had made sure he didn't take any economics classes or anything with the word "labor" in the title.
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    One of the potential outcomes of paying players (or at least differentiating their compensation) is that it could somewhat neuter the massive power of head coaches. As it stands, every player with a scholarship gets the same benefits package, which often makes the differentiator between schools the head coach. If the compensation packages change, then the power of coaches might change as well.

    Personally, I'm for anything that neuters the head coaches.
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    I honestly believe this will have negligible effect on the payroll afforded to most football and basketball players. The truth is that beyond the top 50-100 players, I doubt many players will make that much above their current scholarship dollars.
    And I believe that as such, it won't have a big impact on the remaining non-revenue sports because they provide just as much value.
    *One exception may be the number of women's progams built pretty much solely to counter the 85 football scholarships.
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    Maybe the Northwestern players just want to be un-ionized. There's too much static electricity in the locker room.
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    Re: Northwestern football players win right to unionize

    Emmert, concerning the unionization of college athletes, said, "It would blow up everything about the collegiate model of athletics."

    Yep.
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    Maybe the private institutions could form their own league-the minor leagues which I guess really would only be for football.
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    One of the things I have begun hearing is that the NCAA is going to give some more autonomy to the bigger schools and bigger conferences. I'm really surprised this hasn't happened earlier. Schools like Ohio State and Texas have really limited themselves by agreeing to play by the same rules as someone like Akron. I could really see some sort of Super Division 1 of schools that can really afford to give more to their players.

    In Football, this could easily comprise around 40 schools. Not only would this benefit the kids involved, but it just might eliminate a large chunk of those meaningless games teams pad their schedules with early in the season. My mother in law splits season tickets to Ohio State football, and their home slate of games is embarrassing considering the prices they charge.

    Just for fun, here would be my list of schools that would make this cut. Ohio State, Penn St., Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Nebraska, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Clemson, South Carolina, North Carolina, Florida State, Miami, Pittsburgh, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Tennessee, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, LSU, Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M, Missouri, Auburn, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St. Arizona St., Arizona, UCLA, USC, Cal, Notre Dame, Washington, Oregon, Kansas, Iowa, and Stanford. I'm sure there are more on the fringes of that list (like TCU, TT, BYU, Cincinnati, Louisville, Syracuse, etc...), and some that I've just missed. But, if that were a "league" like the NFL, it would be tremendous.
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    Re: Northwestern football players win right to unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by improbus View Post
    One of the things I have begun hearing is that the NCAA is going to give some more autonomy to the bigger schools and bigger conferences. I'm really surprised this hasn't happened earlier. Schools like Ohio State and Texas have really limited themselves by agreeing to play by the same rules as someone like Akron. I could really see some sort of Super Division 1 of schools that can really afford to give more to their players.

    In Football, this could easily comprise around 40 schools. Not only would this benefit the kids involved, but it just might eliminate a large chunk of those meaningless games teams pad their schedules with early in the season. My mother in law splits season tickets to Ohio State football, and their home slate of games is embarrassing considering the prices they charge.

    Just for fun, here would be my list of schools that would make this cut. Ohio State, Penn St., Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Nebraska, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Clemson, South Carolina, North Carolina, Florida State, Miami, Pittsburgh, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Tennessee, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, LSU, Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M, Missouri, Auburn, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St. Arizona St., Arizona, UCLA, USC, Cal, Notre Dame, Washington, Oregon, Kansas, Iowa, and Stanford. I'm sure there are more on the fringes of that list (like TCU, TT, BYU, Cincinnati, Louisville, Syracuse, etc...), and some that I've just missed. But, if that were a "league" like the NFL, it would be tremendous.
    Just do away with "college" football altogether. The teams that can afford it can go pro, and keep their names and colors by leasing facilities and licensing the name, logos, and colors from the universities. Teams that can't just disappear. The universities no longer offer scholarships for football and can then use their scholarship allotment to men's sports under Title 9 to reinstate all those hockey, wrestling, and men's soccer programs that got cut.
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    Re: Northwestern football players win right to unionize

    The easiest response is to simply eliminate scholarships.
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    Re: Northwestern football players win right to unionize

    Mark Emmert is slowly starting to make me think unionization is a good idea every time he opens his mouth.

    On Dan Patrick, said if he was a football player he wouldn't want to be paid anymore than his scholarship.
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