But of course, it's not wins and losses giving scouts pause about the Phillies, whose mini-dynasty is believed by most to be over. They've looked old, tired and even sloppy at times down here, and with their age, their health and their hitting all suspect, some have serious doubt whether they can regenerate.
“They had a nice window of winning, and it just slammed shut, just like that,” one NL scout said.
That seems to be close to the consensus in Florida among people who have seen the Phillies. Except Phillies people of course. They have too much invested -- they're just under the $189 million luxury tax threshold in payroll -- to think otherwise.
The Phillies greats hear the assessments, and they seem to be anxious to prove the doubters wrong. This was once a great group, after all.