Can't win with 'em
Can't win without 'em
Sometimes you just know you shouldn't have opened a thread....
"If this was a court of law, the cross examination would go after the credibility of the witness." Homer Bailey on Latos snarking on the team after his trade
Only 10 games, I know, but if we're sitting here 10 games later at 6-14 or worse, I'm ready to call it a year. You can't dig yourself in that big of a hole and expect to make the playoffs, and if the playoffs aren't an option, I really don't care if the Reds win 50 or 80 games and would almost prefer 50 for the draft picks and trades.
I mean we knew going in what was going to happen. An offense already with flaws lost one of its best hitters, and was replaced with a prospect who struggled to do anything at the plate at the Triple A level. No upgrades in the other positions that needed upgrades and the bench got worse. Tada - 27th in runs scored after 10 games. Why will that get better?
The flaw in the "run prevention wins" argument IMO is that when a club doesn't hit, the pitchers eventually will feel enormous pressure to be almost perfect. Very hard to pitch that way. Pitchers need to be loose and to go out there and throw.
If pitchers are worried about every run they allow, they will eventually slump. Same thing for teams built solely on hitting, if you need 10 runs to win, eventually the hitters will just tighten up and lose their effectiveness.
You can win with hot pitching or hot hitting for awhile, but over 162 games you need some degree of balance. So different units on the team pick up the club at different times.
If the Reds are an average hitting team consistently through the season, they should be ok. But if they go through several periods like the first ten games, I think they are done.
The club has not won a single game where the opposition scored twice or more. Two runs allowed has meant defeat.
Price said tonight that he hates to see good pitching wasted. I agree, but this is a team, not just a pitching staff, and the focus should be (and should have been) to enhance the weak area. Not just to brag about the strong area.
Last edited by Kc61; 04-12-2014 at 12:52 AM.
It began with the nothing offseason they had, thank you Jocketty.
Agree, this team was dead in the water when it played game one.
2009 Attendance Record: 3-5 2010 Attendance Record: 2-9
2011 Attendance Record: 3-4 2012 Attendance Record: 3-4
2013 Attendance Record: 5-2 2014 Attendance Record: 3-1
As bad as some of these RedsZone comments get, at least they are more self-defeated and innocently 'chicken little' than outright hateful and vulgar. The comments after the Reds.com article posts on Facebook are scary to read. People are tearing apart CUETO...the guy who pitched 7 innings of 2 run baseball with his lesser stuff...and they're calling Reds fans who aren't cursing the team out "not real baseball fans" and idiots for staying calm during this high stress time.
Cincinnati Reds 2014 W-L Record: 76.6-85.4*
Cincinnati Reds 2015 W-L Record: 75-87**
Have a Mount Carmel Nut Brown Ale at the Beer District. As Tony would say.... "They're Greeeeeat!
Anymore, the first couple weeks of the new season are always the funnest. Especially if he Reds get off to a slow start. I got guys coming up to me at work - "What's wrong with the Reds? This team sucks and ain't going nowhere!"
I had two guys at the local pub last night going off on me about Votto ..... "They're paying this guy 20-something mil/year to walk? Tell him to get the bat off his shoulder!!"
"So you'd feel better about Joey if he'd just swing more? It doesn't matter to you if that means less walks taken and more outs produced, because it's all about making the effort?"
You try (or want) to rationalize with these people - but you can't. I use to try, but I don't do it anymore.
I've always hated April. Hitters are always behind the pitchers. They're trying to find their rhythm. A lot of hitters struggle in April (and the weather is also a factor). Votto, Bruce, and Phillips are struggling right now. I can remember when Larkin use to have some of the worst Aprils for a Reds player. It's gonna change/get better.
I look at the MLB standings right now, and other then the Brewers, nobody is tearing it up.
But here are always going to be those on this forum, no matter what the Reds do, who enjoy being this....
Last edited by GAC; 04-12-2014 at 05:48 AM.
"panic" only comes from having real expectations
Big Klu (04-12-2014)
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