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Thread: Joey Votto on 'Intentional Talk' Yesterday

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    Re: Joey Votto on 'Intentional Talk' Yesterday

    RedTeamGo-- You're right.... Cabrera is HALL worthy right now.

    Was looking at Fangraphs and Oliver's five year projection for Votto.

    Per their projections--

    After 2018 Votto's career numbers will be

    AVG OBP SLG OPS HR RUNS RBI HITS
    VOTTO CAREER AFTER 2018 (PER FANGRAPHS) .304 .418 .508 .927 252 931 908 1707

    Those numbers AFTER 2018--based on today's ALL-TIME leader board
    BA -- Top 160 All-time
    HR-- Top 200 All-Time
    RBI-- Top 350 All-Time
    SLG--Top 80 All-Time
    OBP--Top 25 All-Time
    OPS--Top 45 All-Time

    Per FanGraphs--
    the highest BA he will have is .299
    the highest HR will be 21
    the highest RBI will be 80

    I think this fangraph projection is a bit more critical than I would be--especially since it is only based on 600 Plate appearances and 143 game seasons)

    But, if indeed these numbers are a reflection of what could happen...
    Then All-Star appearances drop off (which for whatever reason HOF voters look to.
    Votto will be hard pressed to win any silver sluggers, MVP's, and will not be in the running for any of the triple crown categories.

    So, Votto's case will be one of sabremetrics... one in which they will point to the only argument they would have...OBP and OPS.

    If this is the case--and these are his career numbers when he is entering into year 35-- then it is hard for me to imagine him improving through the final five years of his contract and boosting his career numbers to a HOF worthy individual.

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    Re: Joey Votto on 'Intentional Talk' Yesterday

    I love the RBI argument with Votto
    He's had a true lead off hitter in front of him ONE YEAR. Every other year it was a failed mixture of guys like Taveras, Stubbs, Dickerson, Heisey and Phillips. Votto isn't hitting 2nd this year because of his supposed lack of power but because there's nobody else on this team that can. If Votto hit in the 3 hole for the Red Sox the past three years, he'd have drove in a **** load of runs.

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    Re: Joey Votto on 'Intentional Talk' Yesterday

    Quote Originally Posted by joshua View Post
    I love the RBI argument with Votto
    He's had a true lead off hitter in front of him ONE YEAR. Every other year it was a failed mixture of guys like Taveras, Stubbs, Dickerson, Heisey and Phillips. Votto isn't hitting 2nd this year because of his supposed lack of power but because there's nobody else on this team that can. If Votto hit in the 3 hole for the Red Sox the past three years, he'd have drove in a **** load of runs.
    The thing is, prior to his knee injury, with the stiffs in front of him in both 2009 and 2012 he was on pace for 100 RBI seasons. Which is remarkable. But then he gets hurt, gets Choo, and his rbi's dropped from 100 to 73. (Head scratcher)


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