Joey Votto on 'Intentional Talk' Yesterday

[Don Votto]

RedTeamGo-- You're right.... Cabrera is HALL worthy right now.

Was looking at Fangraphs and Oliver's five year projection for Votto.

Per their projections--

After 2018 Votto's career numbers will be

	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	HR	RUNS	RBI	HITS
VOTTO CAREER AFTER 2018 (PER FANGRAPHS)	.304	.418	.508	.927	252	931	908	1707

Those numbers AFTER 2018--based on today's ALL-TIME leader board
BA -- Top 160 All-time
HR-- Top 200 All-Time
RBI-- Top 350 All-Time
SLG--Top 80 All-Time
OBP--Top 25 All-Time
OPS--Top 45 All-Time

Per FanGraphs--
the highest BA he will have is .299
the highest HR will be 21
the highest RBI will be 80

I think this fangraph projection is a bit more critical than I would be--especially since it is only based on 600 Plate appearances and 143 game seasons)

But, if indeed these numbers are a reflection of what could happen...
Then All-Star appearances drop off (which for whatever reason HOF voters look to.
Votto will be hard pressed to win any silver sluggers, MVP's, and will not be in the running for any of the triple crown categories.

So, Votto's case will be one of sabremetrics... one in which they will point to the only argument they would have...OBP and OPS.

If this is the case--and these are his career numbers when he is entering into year 35-- then it is hard for me to imagine him improving through the final five years of his contract and boosting his career numbers to a HOF worthy individual.

[joshua]

I love the RBI argument with Votto
He's had a true lead off hitter in front of him ONE YEAR. Every other year it was a failed mixture of guys like Taveras, Stubbs, Dickerson, Heisey and Phillips. Votto isn't hitting 2nd this year because of his supposed lack of power but because there's nobody else on this team that can. If Votto hit in the 3 hole for the Red Sox the past three years, he'd have drove in a **** load of runs.

[Don Votto]

I love the RBI argument with Votto
He's had a true lead off hitter in front of him ONE YEAR. Every other year it was a failed mixture of guys like Taveras, Stubbs, Dickerson, Heisey and Phillips. Votto isn't hitting 2nd this year because of his supposed lack of power but because there's nobody else on this team that can. If Votto hit in the 3 hole for the Red Sox the past three years, he'd have drove in a **** load of runs.

The thing is, prior to his knee injury, with the stiffs in front of him in both 2009 and 2012 he was on pace for 100 RBI seasons. Which is remarkable. But then he gets hurt, gets Choo, and his rbi's dropped from 100 to 73. (Head scratcher)