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    Dr. Andrews explains the Tommy John epidemic....

    The foremost expert on TJ surgery blames year round baseball activities on the increase in TJ injuries.

    Here's a link to an interesting discussion:

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-...tj-risk-factor
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    I always wondered why kids continue to play travel ball after securing Division I scholarships. Some players receive the offers around the 10th grade. Makes no sense to risk your future after getting one.
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    I always wondered why kids continue to play travel ball after securing Division I scholarships. Some players receive the offers around the 10th grade. Makes no sense to risk your future after getting one.
    Betting there are a lot of parents with their hands over their ears....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 19braves77 View Post
    I always wondered why kids continue to play travel ball after securing Division I scholarships. Some players receive the offers around the 10th grade. Makes no sense to risk your future after getting one.
    It's because offers are not guarantees. A high-school prospect doesn't actually sign the NLI until November of his senior year. Up until then, the school can pull an offer at any time if they find someone they like more, which could happen if a kid drops out of the travel circuit, which would be seen as a negative. You know how baseball attitudes can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 19braves77 View Post
    I always wondered why kids continue to play travel ball after securing Division I scholarships. Some players receive the offers around the 10th grade. Makes no sense to risk your future after getting one.
    Most baseball scholarships are not FULL scholarships and, especially if they are being offered in the 10th grade, they usually don't specify how much you're getting. They have to split up the 11.7 scholarships they're allowed amongst as many players as possible (hint: less to the freshmen). They are also 1 year scholarships so there is no guarantee you can stay on for 4 years.

    If someone actually secured a full 4-year ride in 10th grade, then that kid should also be considering going straight to pro ball because it is RARE.

    Bottom line is you have to keep working to get better and get playing time ASAP in college or you will get run over for playing time and eventually scholarship money.

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    Re: Dr. Andrews explains the Tommy John epidemic....

    I wonder if the rate of TJ surgery is higher for guys who grew up in FL and Ca than it is for northern tier guys who have tht forced winter exile.

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    Re: Dr. Andrews explains the Tommy John epidemic....

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    I wonder if the rate of TJ surgery is higher for guys who grew up in FL and Ca than it is for northern tier guys who have tht forced winter exile.
    I'm with you in wondering what the data supports.

    A side note, though: Tommy John was from Terre Haute.
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    Re: Dr. Andrews explains the Tommy John epidemic....

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    I wonder if the rate of TJ surgery is higher for guys who grew up in FL and Ca than it is for northern tier guys who have tht forced winter exile.
    Seems like a reasonable thought anyway...
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    Re: Dr. Andrews explains the Tommy John epidemic....

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    Seems like a reasonable thought anyway...
    It does. Now it needs to be studied scientifically to see if the clinical hunch is true.

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    Re: Dr. Andrews explains the Tommy John epidemic....

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    It does. Now it needs to be studied scientifically to see if the clinical hunch is true.
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    Re: Dr. Andrews explains the Tommy John epidemic....

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat13 View Post
    An opportunity for Raisor to pick up another Nobel?
    That's exactly what I was thinking.

    I'm sure Raisor has the abstract written already.

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    Re: Dr. Andrews explains the Tommy John epidemic....

    I heard a few years ago that teens were having TJ surgery even though there was no problem with their elbow so they could throw faster after they rehabbed. So I don't know if that's still a thing and if it is if it's included in those stats.
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    Re: Dr. Andrews explains the Tommy John epidemic....

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    I heard a few years ago that teens were having TJ surgery even though there was no problem with their elbow so they could throw faster after they rehabbed. So I don't know if that's still a thing and if it is if it's included in those stats.
    I've always wondered about that. I cannot imagine that a surgeon would perform the surgery without medical necessity, unless its some rogue surgeon. Back alley TJ surgeries? Not sure I buy that.
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    Re: Dr. Andrews explains the Tommy John epidemic....

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    I've always wondered about that. I cannot imagine that a surgeon would perform the surgery without medical necessity, unless its some rogue surgeon. Back alley TJ surgeries? Not sure I buy that.
    I don't necessarily think they are "back alley" surgeons. It's not like it's Dr. Nick Riveria doing the surgery. I'd say it's akin to getting Lasix even though you have 20/20 vision.

    http://www.nursingethicsnetwork.org/...n-surgery.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/20/sp...anted=all&_r=0

    Dr. Petty mentioned one patient, a minor leaguer whose elbow injury did not appear to warrant surgery, who later trumped up his symptoms and had the procedure performed by another physician.
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    Re: Dr. Andrews explains the Tommy John epidemic....

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    I cannot imagine that a surgeon would perform the surgery without medical necessity, unless its some rogue surgeon. Back alley TJ surgeries? Not sure I buy that.
    I agree. Also can't imagine it would be easy to get health insurance to cover it, if it was not medically necessary. Without insurance, it would probably cost upwards of $50K these days to get the procedure and thousands more for the rehab.
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