"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
If Mat Latos was not injured currently, there's no way that so many people would be advocating keeping Leake over Latos. That's all I'm saying.
I know staying healthy is an attribute in and of itself, but Latos has made 30+ starts 4 years in a row.
The injury bug happens. It will hit Leake at some point too.
Kingspoint (04-16-2014),Old school 1983 (04-17-2014),reds44 (04-16-2014)
Until proven otherwise, Cueto is #1, Latos is 1A, Bailey is 3, while Leake is 4 with Cingrani pushing him for that honor. On another staff, Leake would be higher, but not on this one right now.
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
Big Klu (04-17-2014),Old school 1983 (04-17-2014),villain612 (04-16-2014),_Sir_Charles_ (04-16-2014)
I would rank Leake ahead of Bailey at this point. Bailey may have better stuff and "potential" but Leake is currently the more effective pitcher. This year's sample size is small and last year's performance was close. This is Bailey's 11th season as a professional (10th full) and he is 18 months older than Leake. Bailey may have more upside to improve towards and have his results match his peripheral stats but as things stand now I would have Leake ahead of him.
My list:
1. Cueto
2. Cingrani
3. Leake
4. Bailey
5. Simon
NA- Latos
Simon is 5th simply based upon small sample size.
markymark69 (04-16-2014)
Leake is a strong 3 at worst. Calling him a back end arm is lolworthy.
'69 (04-16-2014),757690 (04-16-2014),KittyDuran (04-16-2014),REDREAD (04-17-2014),_Sir_Charles_ (04-16-2014)
I also just want to thank Mike for allowing the old arguments about Bronson Arroyo to live on under his name.
deljaso (04-17-2014),KittyDuran (04-16-2014)
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Anyone noticing the difference between the way Cueto is pitching today and Leake pitched yesterday?
This explains the difference between the two.
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Last edited by jojo; 04-16-2014 at 01:58 PM.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
bigredmechanism (04-17-2014),markymark69 (04-16-2014),REDREAD (04-17-2014)
No. I don't know, it, because it is not true, no matter how many times you claim it is.
You claim that Leake historically has given up more home runs per flyball than the average pitcher, so we should conclude that he will always give up lots of home runs. That flys in the face of decades of data that shows that pitchers tend to give up the same number of home runs per flyballs over their careers.
But let's assume that Leake is an outlier, just for the sake if argument. You still are incorrect, since last year, Leake's home run per fly ball rate normalized to very close to league average, and that resulted in a much lower home run rate for Leake last year, and a much better year for Leake overall. So it is false that Leake has sustained an historically high home run to flyball rate over his career. He improved his greatly last year, just as had been predicted.
You really don't have the fast behind you on this.
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jimbo (04-16-2014)
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