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    Re: Mike Leake, Best of the Bunch?

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    I understand that you're not trying to be "snarkish", but I have a VERY hard time dismissing 4+ years of success to luck.
    Then think of it as four years of VERY good defense.
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    Re: Mike Leake, Best of the Bunch?

    Now that's the Leake I know....oh well could do worse for a #5 pitcher I guess.

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    Re: Mike Leake, Best of the Bunch?

    Quote Originally Posted by DocRed View Post
    Now that's the Leake I know....oh well could do worse for a #5 pitcher I guess.
    Right. Because 100 million dollar man hasn't had a start like this this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Right. Because 100 million dollar man hasn't had a start like this this season.
    Good argument...since 2 wrongs make a right.

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    Re: Mike Leake, Best of the Bunch?

    Quote Originally Posted by DocRed View Post
    Good argument...since 2 wrongs make a right.
    No, context is everything. Compare season performance.

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    Re: Mike Leake, Best of the Bunch?

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Then think of it as four years of VERY good defense.
    I do think of it that way....but it's not like Leake hasn't had anything to do with the success. I mean come on.
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    Re: Mike Leake, Best of the Bunch?

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    I do think of it that way....but it's not like Leake hasn't had anything to do with the success. I mean come on.
    How specifically has he controlled his strand rate?
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    Re: Mike Leake, Best of the Bunch?

    Good job by Leake to keep us in the game....credit where credit is due...and nice hit.

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    Re: Mike Leake, Best of the Bunch?

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    I understand that you're not trying to be "snarkish", but I have a VERY hard time dismissing 4+ years of success to luck.

    Well then break the 4 years down into smaller chunks and find fault. It's the path to not being wrong.
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    Re: Mike Leake, Best of the Bunch?

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    Well then break the 4 years down into smaller chunks and find fault. It's the path to not being wrong.
    Have you ever went into Gander Mountain and been accused of stealing a duck call and stink bait?

    Regardless, what's your explanation for how he specifically controlled his strand rate?
    Last edited by jojo; 04-21-2014 at 11:00 PM.
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    Re: Mike Leake, Best of the Bunch?

    Confusing game for Leake.

    Giving up a grand slam to Ike Davis... Something an average 5th starter would do.
    That's all you give up, and keeping the team in the game after that... Something a mid rotation starter would do.
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    Re: Mike Leake, Best of the Bunch?

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Regardless, what's your explanation for how he specifically controlled his strand rate?
    Don't need one, I got sample sizes!
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    Re: Mike Leake, Best of the Bunch?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    Don't need one, I got sample sizes!
    Actually you've got obfuscation and illigetimate snark. There's a large sample demonstrating the impact of the Reds defense.
    Last edited by jojo; 04-21-2014 at 11:17 PM.
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    Re: Mike Leake, Best of the Bunch?

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Actually you've got obfuscation and illigetimate snark. There's a large sample demonstrating the impact of the Reds defense.
    Also: facts.
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    Re: Mike Leake, Best of the Bunch?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Also: facts.
    Agreed, the facts and sample size all point to the effect of defense.
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