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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Some just don't learn!!!

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    Some just don't learn!!!
    It's none of your business. You hear me?

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    It's none of your business. You hear me?
    Wow. Things got out of hand quickly.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    Wow. Things got out of hand quickly.
    Did you see junkhead? He killed a guy with a trident!
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelSD View Post
    Did you see junkhead? He killed a guy with a trident!
    I love lamp.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Joey Votto says Billy Hamilton offers him protection. Joey Votto sees more fastballs hitting 2nd with Billy Hamilton on base. Every time Billy Hamilton reaches base Joey Votto will be up next.

    I like those odds.
    58.3% last year for Votto on fastballs, 56.2% for his career. So far this season (for the full season, not just with Billy on base), 63.2%. Random variance? Maybe. But it is certainly worth keeping an eye on moving forward.

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    How is he going to learn to hit leadoff, steal bases, etc at the bottom of the order?
    Don't worry about the short term cost of Billy batting leadoff. It's really not that big of a deal.
    It's certainly not going to be the difference in the Reds making or missing the playoffs.
    Now, in the playoffs if he has a 250 OBP for the entire year, then yes.. move him to #8 then.
    Learning to hit leadoff? he should learn to get on base and it doesn´t matter if it´s as #7 hitter or #1! Stealing bases shouldn´t be different from the leadoff spot or anywhere else. If he gets on base as #6/7 hitter he´ll likely do the same as leadoff guy

    he´ll get some less at bats if he plays at the end of the lineup but that won´t hurt his development
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    58.3% last year for Votto on fastballs, 56.2% for his career. So far this season (for the full season, not just with Billy on base), 63.2%. Random variance? Maybe. But it is certainly worth keeping an eye on moving forward.
    This is why I think Hamilton is so special and needs to stay at the top of the line-up. I think he'd be wasted hitting lower in the lineup. Hamilton is like a power-hitter but instead he's a power-runner. He may not hit many singles but when he does they are turned into double/triples from the basepaths.

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajinous View Post
    This is why I think Hamilton is so special and needs to stay at the top of the line-up. I think he'd be wasted hitting lower in the lineup. Hamilton is like a power-hitter but instead he's a power-runner. He may not hit many singles but when he does they are turned into double/triples from the basepaths.
    And guys like that (the power hitter you are talking about - who doesn't draw walks), bat down in the lineup.

    It's also entirely possible that Votto is seeing more fastballs because Jay Bruce was batting behind him for a little bit of the season and pitchers didn't want to walk him to face Bruce with a runner on. I haven't looked at the data to see how the splits are, but until someone does, that theory holds as much water as Billy Hamilton being on base a handful of times with Votto at the plate does.

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    Your parents shouldn't have named you wheels.
    I'm the slowest runner on earth. It's not even close.
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    It's none of your business. You hear me?
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by junkhead View Post
    It's none of your business. You hear me?

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    I have no idea if Billy Hamilton is gonna be a successful major leaguer or not....but it sure was entertaining to watch him beat out a grounder to first base yesterday.
    "The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers."

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    If he hits lead off all year and has a 250 OBP Price and Walt should be fired.
    Perfect example of a short term goal overriding the long term goal.
    How many extra runs do you predict the Reds would gain if Billy was moved out of the leadoff spot and to whatever spot you suggest?

    The big picture says that if he has a 250 OBP, that's going to hurt us no matter where he hits.
    Might as well hit him leadoff, since there's a greater chances the bases will be empty and he can leverage his speed.
    Example: hitting behind Mez might reduce his chances.
    Plus, there's the advantage of Joey MAYBE getting more fastballs when Hamilton is on base in front of him.

    Do you really think Billy's position in the lineup is going to determine whether we make the playoffs or not?
    I know you like to use the numbers to try to "optimize", but we've been through this exercise before where the "theoretical best lineup" only adds maybe 10 runs over the season,
    and your defense is "might as well optimize, every little bit helps".. However, you fail to realize that the simulations make so many assumptions, that 10 runs over a season (from different
    simulations) is pure noise and might not even be accurate.

    Saying Walt and Price should be fired based on a lineup is short-sighted and over-reactive.
    Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2010-2014!

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    It fascinates me that people try and use a different approach in different parts of the lineup.

    Look, I know that it happens. But it shouldn't. Get on base. Hit the ball hard. Those should be your goals no matter where you are batting in the lineup. Period.
    Well, some players would say that you approach an at bat based on the situation. Are the bases empty? How many outs? etc,
    You may disagree with that approach, but it's been part of baseball culture for over 100 years, and many player still believe it, right or wrong.

    How is Billy going to learn to be a leadoff hitter batting behind Mez though?
    Doesn't that specific example seem to illustrate that Billy's best skill (speed) might be wasted if he gets on with Mez, Ludwick, or Frasier already on base?
    Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2010-2014!

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