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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    The last three years the average NL lead off guy has had an OBP of about 326.

    Billy needs to be about there to lead off IMO otherwise I'd put Phillips there.
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

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    58.3% last year for Votto on fastballs, 56.2% for his career. So far this season (for the full season, not just with Billy on base), 63.2%. Random variance? Maybe. But it is certainly worth keeping an eye on moving forward.
    The 63.2% is likely either an error or a change in how cut fastballs are rolling into the report because that particular field is blank.
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    For the record I'm not someone that believes in set spots for a lineup. If Rocco is killing the ball move him up, if someone is struggling move him down.

    With how everyone is hitting right now, and a few hopes:

    Phillips
    Votto
    Bruce
    Rocco
    Ludwick
    Frazier
    BHam
    Cozart
    Pitcher
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Just want to mention that a tenth of a second is a huge margin between fast guys. It's about five feet.
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    For the record I'm not someone that believes in set spots for a lineup. If Rocco is killing the ball move him up, if someone is struggling move him down.

    With how everyone is hitting right now, and a few hopes:

    Phillips
    Votto
    Bruce
    Rocco
    Ludwick
    Frazier
    BHam
    Cozart
    Pitcher
    I'd try this, except I'd be hesitant to bat Cozart after Hamilton. It might work if Cozart can be a little more patient at the plate and give Hamilton a couple chances to steal before he inevitably hits the ball right to SS/2B.

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    For the record I'm not someone that believes in set spots for a lineup. If Rocco is killing the ball move him up, if someone is struggling move him down.

    With how everyone is hitting right now, and a few hopes:

    Phillips
    Votto
    Bruce
    Rocco
    Ludwick
    Frazier
    BHam
    Cozart
    Pitcher
    I like this, but, I'd move Hamilton ahead of Frazier. It gives them one legit shot at driving him in, one total shot in the dark, then the pitcher.
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    I see Hamilton's abilities as being wasted in that line-up. We are now hoping our worst hitters, Cozart and the pitchers, can hit Hamilton in. Sure he can still steal but it's useless when Cozart/Pitcher leave Hamilton stranded on third. Hamilton has an unique ability to make weak hits into productive hits. A bouncer to SS can be a fairly easy RBI with Hamilton on third. Cozart/Pitcher as the lease likely to put the ball in play therefore taking away scoring opportunities.

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajinous View Post
    I see Hamilton's abilities as being wasted in that line-up. We are now hoping our worst hitters, Cozart and the pitchers, can hit Hamilton in. Sure he can still steal but it's useless when Cozart/Pitcher leave Hamilton stranded on third. Hamilton has an unique ability to make weak hits into productive hits. A bouncer to SS can be a fairly easy RBI with Hamilton on third. Cozart/Pitcher as the lease likely to put the ball in play therefore taking away scoring opportunities.
    I disagree. Having Hamilton on base gives C0zart's banjo shots added significance. Zach loves to bounce out to short. He probably does it better than anyone.
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajinous View Post
    I see Hamilton's abilities as being wasted in that line-up. We are now hoping our worst hitters, Cozart and the pitchers, can hit Hamilton in. Sure he can still steal but it's useless when Cozart/Pitcher leave Hamilton stranded on third. Hamilton has an unique ability to make weak hits into productive hits. A bouncer to SS can be a fairly easy RBI with Hamilton on third. Cozart/Pitcher as the lease likely to put the ball in play therefore taking away scoring opportunities.
    To be fair, BHam is also one of our worst hitters at this moment.

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajinous View Post
    I see Hamilton's abilities as being wasted in that line-up. We are now hoping our worst hitters, Cozart and the pitchers, can hit Hamilton in. Sure he can still steal but it's useless when Cozart/Pitcher leave Hamilton stranded on third. Hamilton has an unique ability to make weak hits into productive hits. A bouncer to SS can be a fairly easy RBI with Hamilton on third. Cozart/Pitcher as the lease likely to put the ball in play therefore taking away scoring opportunities.

    The speed is more important when you're dealing with lower SLG guys after him. Cozart needs help getting people into scoring position.
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    The last three years the average NL lead off guy has had an OBP of about 326.

    Billy needs to be about there to lead off IMO otherwise I'd put Phillips there.
    Hamilton, the last 7 days: .318 .348 .364 .711

    Now it may take time to get his overall numbers up, but if you look at it from 04/14/14 on then forget what happened the first 2 weeks. He may be starting to figure it out.

    It's all about adjustments. He's making some. Let's see how pitchers react.
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Hate the idea of having Hamilton on first base with Cozart (or BP) hacking away.
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    The old Votto is back when he starts cussing himself out between pitches.

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    If Hamilton doesn't bat leadoff, who does?
    How many runs over the season (if any) are the reds losing by batting Hamilton leadoff instead?

    These questions need to be answered before moving Billy to the 7th or 8th position in the lineup, IMO.
    Someone who gets on base more often than he does.


    We had a similar debate once where people claimed Zach Cozart was killing us by batting #2, but when you do the actual analysis.. it really wasn't hurting us.
    In other words. Take the number of plate appearances by lineup position last year.
    Take each players OBP and figure out the total number of baserunners for a given lineup.
    It made very little difference whether Cozart batted 2nd or 8th.
    I can't remember the exact amount, but we can do the exercise again with Billy.
    In 2013 the Cincinnati Reds 2nd spot came to the plate 116 times more than the 8th spot. That is very significant.

    Give me your "optimal" lineup, and I will compare vs Price's lineup.
    Probably:
    Phillips
    Votto
    Bruce
    Mesoraco
    Ludwick
    Frazier
    Hamilton
    Cozart
    Pitcher

    On days where Mesoraco isn't starting, slide the catcher from 4th to 6th, with Ludwick and Frazier moving up.

    Against lefties, flip Mesoraco and Bruce.

    Hitting Phillips leadoff isn't ideal, but it's the best option IMO right now. If Hamilton starts to show he can get on base over a 30% clip, maybe he can start to move up. But for right now? Nope.

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Someone who gets on base more often than he does.

    Hitting Phillips leadoff isn't ideal, but it's the best option IMO right now. If Hamilton starts to show he can get on base over a 30% clip, maybe he can start to move up. But for right now? Nope.
    It actually isn't ideal right now. knee jerk reactions to Hamilton's slow start are not ideal. Players need to know the team and the manager have faith in them. Votto publicly stating Hamilton provides him protection was very important.

    And the current splits say Phillips is ice cold.

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Someone who gets on base more often than he does.



    In 2013 the Cincinnati Reds 2nd spot came to the plate 116 times more than the 8th spot. That is very significant.



    Probably:
    Phillips
    Votto
    Bruce
    Mesoraco
    Ludwick
    Frazier
    Hamilton
    Cozart
    Pitcher

    On days where Mesoraco isn't starting, slide the catcher from 4th to 6th, with Ludwick and Frazier moving up.

    Against lefties, flip Mesoraco and Bruce.

    Hitting Phillips leadoff isn't ideal, but it's the best option IMO right now. If Hamilton starts to show he can get on base over a 30% clip, maybe he can start to move up. But for right now? Nope.
    Ok, thanks. You and Rasier had the same lineup,so I will work the math at home.
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