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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    It's 3 weeks in to the season. Billy Hamilton has less than 100 career major league PA. Just wanted to remind people.
    I hope that's sarcasm because we've been reminded of that about every 8 posts since the thread started.

    And yeah, I actually did run the numbers on that. ;-)
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Sure. That's on him though. If he was so worried about the runner stealing, he messed up by throwing breaking balls. If you are so worried about a runner, breaking balls are a terrible idea. It's just confusing on his part. Worry about the runner, then throw breaking balls. You can get away with that if Jay Bruce is on first. But not Hamilton. If you knew you were throwing breaking balls, why worry so much about holding him on? We are getting off topic some, but the logic there doesn't make much sense from Liriano. He should have thought it through some more.
    Hamilton is so disruptive he confuses pitchers into throwing the wrong pitch.
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Hamilton didn't fail in AAA, he just didn't dominate like he did in other minor league seasons. If he puts up those same AAA numbers in the majors, with his speed and defense, he's very close to a league average CF. And guess what? Since his first three games, he's put up those numbers here in the bigs. Or, to look at another way, his career MLB numbers are also very similar.

    Hamilton hasn't had just one good game every ten days. For the past two weeks, he's gotten on base in 8 of his last 10 games, at the .304 clip every one was expecting. For his MLB career, he's gotten on base in 12 out his last 15 games. Those first three games are skewing everyone's perspective. Hamilton is producing as expected.
    Tablesetter/lead-off hitter with a .308 OBP against AAA pitching. That's failing and not worthy of a promotion to the same role in the major leagues.

    I'm not one of those posters who says he'd be happy with Hamilton at a .300 OBP. I think that would be grounds for him being sent to AAA. He has a .254 OBP and his .304 in the last 10 days is even a smaller sample size and basically doesn't change the impression that the .308 in AAA is an anomaly and that we should expect better. It reinforces that he's a minor leaguer who isn't ready.
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Sure. That's on him though. If he was so worried about the runner stealing, he messed up by throwing breaking balls. If you are so worried about a runner, breaking balls are a terrible idea. It's just confusing on his part. Worry about the runner, then throw breaking balls. You can get away with that if Jay Bruce is on first. But not Hamilton. If you knew you were throwing breaking balls, why worry so much about holding him on? We are getting off topic some, but the logic there doesn't make much sense from Liriano. He should have thought it through some more.
    Haha. It's as if you don't understand the psychological effect an incredible baserunner can have on a pitcher. It's easy to say "It's on the pitcher though." No, it's because Billy is a menace once he gets on base and most pitchers in baseball would be distracted by him.

    Funny how you make fun of the notion that David Holmberg's 14.46 ERA is nothing to worry about because it's only April. But you have no trouble downplaying Hamilton's value during the same month.

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by villain612 View Post
    Yes, the Reds had a higher OBP last year with Choo.
    But comparing the 2014 Reds strictly to the 2013 Reds is a bit of a fallacy.

    It's more important to compare their performance relative to the rest of the league for the current year. The 2014 Reds don't play games against the 2013 Reds.
    A lot of people are trying to make this about Choo vs. Hamilton because they miss Choo. I could just as easily say the difference between scoring this year vs last year, and OBP this year vs last year is Dusty Baker vs Bryan Price...

    Let that marinade for a second. It's time for us to start missing Dusty and fire up threads on why Price is an inferior manager ASAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckie View Post
    Haha. It's as if you don't understand the psychological effect an incredible baserunner can have on a pitcher. It's easy to say "It's on the pitcher though." No, it's because Billy is a menace once he gets on base and most pitchers in baseball would be distracted by him.

    Funny how you make fun of the notion that David Holmberg's 14.46 ERA is nothing to worry about because it's only April. But you have no trouble downplaying Hamilton's value during the same month.
    It's easy to attribute Hamilton's speed as having an adverse affect on pitcher's but there's really been no empirical evidence that concludes so. Actually, the results have shown to be pretty negligible.

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Rijo's Ghost View Post
    It's easy to attribute Hamilton's speed as having an adverse affect on pitcher's but there's really been no empirical evidence that concludes so. Actually, the results have shown to be pretty negligible.
    There must be TONS of data available on which to base that study on...
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by REDblooded View Post
    There must be TONS of data available on which to base that study on...
    Here's one on fastball usage with SB threats.

    http://www.billjamesonline.com/stats72/

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by REDblooded View Post
    A lot of people are trying to make this about Choo vs. Hamilton because they miss Choo. I could just as easily say the difference between scoring this year vs last year, and OBP this year vs last year is Dusty Baker vs Bryan Price...
    Good lord.

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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by REDblooded View Post
    A lot of people are trying to make this about Choo vs. Hamilton because they miss Choo. I could just as easily say the difference between scoring this year vs last year, and OBP this year vs last year is Dusty Baker vs Bryan Price...
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Rijo's Ghost View Post
    Here's one on fastball usage with SB threats.

    http://www.billjamesonline.com/stats72/
    So fastball usage is the only indicator? You don't think it affects a pitchers tempo and rhythm when he's constantly throwing over to first to hold the runner? That's obviously just one factor.

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    Good lord.
    Was kinda the point.
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    People on Facebook are tearing apart Billy Hamilton because of his ugly swing today.
    What about those beauties Joey Votto takes several times a season? He just took one today in AB #2 while whiffing.
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    What about those beauties Joey Votto takes several times a season? He just took one today in AB #2 while whiffing.
    If Hamilton can hit like Votto not sure anyone will care.

    Except people talk about Votto's ugly swings quite often so never mind
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    If Hamilton can hit like Votto not sure anyone will care.

    Except people talk about Votto's ugly swings quite often so never mind
    Never mind exactly. Big Leaguers take ugly swings. Nothing to see here, but I guess since its "not ready for prime time" Billy Hamilton, its blowing up FB.
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    Re: Karl Ravech destroying Billy Hamilton on the BBTN podcast

    He may not be hitting but he has a 19.4 UZR/150 and he only costs $500K.

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