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    Shin-Soo Choo

    Is amazing.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/stats/.../shin-soo-choo


    what a later blooming star.

    Currently 9th in all of baseball in OBS for active players career wise.


    Votto is 1st.

    Reds should have kept this guy.

    So far this year he is just dominating.

    .325 .446 .525 .971

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    Re: Shin-Soo Choo

    no one is shocked he's doing good this year its more to about later years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frivolousz21 View Post
    Is amazing.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/stats/.../shin-soo-choo


    what a later blooming star.

    Currently 9th in all of baseball in OBS for active players career wise.


    Votto is 1st.

    Reds should have kept this guy.

    So far this year he is just dominating.

    .325 .446 .525 .971
    No need to worry--with the way Votto's power numbers have been trending since July, 2012--we still have Shin Soo Choo in our line-up!

    The awesome thing... we have Votto locked up for about four more years than the Rangers have Choo locked up. Woo hoo.

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    At some point you have to take on the risk.

    The Votto, Pujols, Cano contracts are bigger risks than choo.



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    Edmonds was only 29. But still I can't image the mistake of passing up on Edmonds even tho the deal ran thru when Edmonds was 36-37 years old.

    He started to decline after 2004.

    But was amazing from 2000 to 2005.

    It was worth it tho.


    You can't let best of the game talent walk out over potentially 1 or 2 bad value seasons.

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    You can't let best of the game talent walk out over potentially 1 or 2 bad value seasons.
    I agree with Edmonds production--now, the question being..can Votto offer that type of production from years 30-34 that Edmonds had?

    Edmonds was a STUD. Gold Glove center fielder with basically a low point of a .971 OPS to a high point 1.061 OPS. Where his XBH% went from 10% to 13%. That is the production I expected out of Votto.

    Votto
    Since July, 2012... Votto's XBH% has dropped to around 8%
    So, while he is drawing a ton of walks..OBP going up. his slugging is dropping ... lower his OPS.

    If Votto is the player that Edmonds was during those years.... That would be WELL-worth the 20 million.
    If Votto is the player that Shin Soo Choo is now, and continues to regress, then the money was not well spent.

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    Re: Shin-Soo Choo

    I believe Choo is leading the AL in batting avg. right now. 360 average, 491 OBP. Shin-soo Choo

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    Re: Shin-Soo Choo

    Quote Originally Posted by frivolousz21 View Post
    Is amazing.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/stats/.../shin-soo-choo


    what a later blooming star.

    Currently 9th in all of baseball in OBS for active players career wise.


    Votto is 1st.

    Reds should have kept this guy.

    So far this year he is just dominating.

    .325 .446 .525 .971
    Reds would have LOVED to have 2014 and 2105 Choo.

    2016-2020 Choo? Maybe not.

    That's what it came down to.
    Rounding third and heading for home...

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    Re: Shin-Soo Choo

    Interesting numbers...

    Choo with a .427 OBP has scored 20 runs and driven in 11.

    Hamilton with a .289 OBP has scored 18 runs and driven in 6.

    Obviously this doesn't account for times on base where OBP isn't raised for either, such as pinch running or reaching on FC's, but I also think it's obvious that when Hamilton does reach base (albeit far more infrequently) he has a far greater impact and is far more likely to cross the plate than Choo does.

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    Billy is trending up. At least, when arguing Choo, quit looking at Billy as the comp. Look at the left fielders. Had they signed Choo that's where he'd be playing. Billy would still be in CF. I think they may have agreed with Don actually, when looking at Choo. They already had a very Choo like hitter in Votto. Down the road it would have meant having 40 million tied up in 2 late 30s guys with similar skill sets. They also had to keep payroll in line to be able to go after Bailey and down the line, Latos or Cueto.
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    Re: Shin-Soo Choo

    There was no money to keep him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rando View Post
    There was no money to keep him

    There surely was. The Reds FO decided to give that money to a career .500 pitcher instead.


    Besides that I have read on here the Reds received 25 mil in additional yearly revenue starting this year from national tv.

    I have also read on here the Reds expect to see their local tv money increase by 40-50 million per year in a couple years.

    And of course reds revenue is increasing every year at this point outside of that.


    The Reds could have easily signed Choo and Peralta.


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    Quote Originally Posted by frivolousz21 View Post
    There surely was. The Reds FO decided to give that money to a career .500 pitcher instead.


    Besides that I have read on here the Reds received 25 mil in additional yearly revenue starting this year from national tv.

    I have also read on here the Reds expect to see their local tv money increase by 40-50 million per year in a couple years.

    And of course reds revenue is increasing every year at this point outside of that.


    The Reds could have easily signed Choo and Peralta.


    Hamilton
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    Merosco/Pena
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    No, there was literally no money. The amount given to Bailey wouldn't have covered Choo and if it did we'd still be out of a pitcher

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    Re: Shin-Soo Choo

    Quote Originally Posted by frivolousz21 View Post
    The Reds FO decided to give that money to a career .500 pitcher instead.
    I call this statement a "credibility killer"

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    Re: Shin-Soo Choo

    Choo played himself out of Cincinnati, he was simply too good last year to resign.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Shin-Soo Choo

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Choo played himself out of Cincinnati, he was simply too good last year to resign.
    Completely agree. The reds simply could not afford to give him a massive long contract. Too much risk in those later years.

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